25 mph. Residential side [music] streets are now 20 mph. If there are no speed signs on the street, it is a 20 mph street. Let's make our street safer for every one of us. [music] [music] >> [music] >> Hey, [music] hey, [music] hey. Heat. Heat. [music] [music] [music] [music] >> [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] >> Heat. Heat. [music] [music] >> [music] [music] [music] [music] >> Stop. [music] as soon as you're ready. Love it. But we need a different vibe. Thank you so much. >> Welcome everyone to our St. Paul City Council meeting. We're glad you could join us today. We invite everyone to join us in standing for the pledge of allegiance. I >> pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [clears throat] And we are also going to do a roll call because we went right into it. That was me. Johnson >> here. >> Jo >> here. >> Kim >> here. >> Yang >> here. >> Buoie >> here. >> Coleman >> here. >> Council President Naker >> here. Seven present. None absent. Consent agenda items 2 through 31 are before you for your consideration. Item four has been withdrawn. And I know that we are pulling items 16, 30, and 31 for separate consideration. Is there anything else to come off of consent? Seeing none, I'll take a motion from Vice President Yang for the balance of the consent agenda. All in favor say I. I. >> All opposed. >> Seven in favor, none opposed. The consent agenda is adopted as amended. >> Uh take a motion from um Miss Coleman for suspension of the rules to consider uh item 26-1544. Um an item from the city attorney's office. All in favor of suspending the rules, please say I. >> I. All opposed. >> Seven in favor, none opposed. The rules are suspended. Resolution 26-1544 appointing the public rights project as special council for the purpose of providing legal representation to the city of St. Paul in affirmative litigation to challenge a federal rule related to grants. And uh this is sort of late breaking legislation uh against the federal government and it was something we needed to get on the agenda um somewhat quickly. So grateful to my colleagues for being willing to bring it under suspension. Um I will move approval. Is there any discussion of the motion? Seeing none, all in favor say I. I all opposed. >> Seven in favor, none opposed. The resolution is adopted. Item 16, resolution 26-1399, authorizing the police department to apply for the fiscal year 2026 CPD microrants program from the US Department of Justice. Miss Kim. Wonderful. Um, I just pulled this to get a greater transparency and ask some questions. So, I'd like to invite um, uh, DC Holstrom. Sorry if I got your rank wrong. DC Holstrom, come on up. Perfect. Um, so really I put them in the email so hopefully you came uh prepared. But we sort of had three general questions around this um grant application. One, what is sort of the scope scope of work? What are we applying for? And then two, what is the proposed budget? >> The proposed budget was $200,000 in the fiscal year 2728. Uh the the intent to apply for the uh the funds was to uh add to our DDP drone program. that's currently uh in use in the city. >> Okay. And so is that for staff that man the drone? Is that to purchase additional drones? Can you speak a little bit more specifically around where this >> is equipment based? So it's specifically listed in there for equipment. Um and it would be to add on to the the three drones that we're currently utilizing. >> Okay. That sounds good. The last question that I had is it appeared that the application period has now passed. Uh this resolution is before council today. Can you speak a little bit about the timing? Is there presently an application in? Did we receive an extension and we're going to be applying after the passage of this resolution? >> The the application was was put in um and the notices were to my knowledge they were put in by our grant manager. Um, and it it can be re it can be uh pulled back, but the application was uh due last week or the 24th or whatever it was. Um, so uh it was submitted, but it's certainly by no means a binding submission. >> Okay, wonderful. Um, I think just one additional question. What kind of um data contract that is connected to the footage that we might be collecting from from the drone? Do we have a current contract that would be managing or maintaining any of the information collected through the drone program? >> Yep. It would be it would be the same systems in which we're using now. All of that data is collected in our in our Axon uh platform just you know same platform that has body camera incar camera. Uh you know many of the of the uh evidence photo uh pictures that are collected at evidence scenes. Um you know each each category has its own retention policies. Uh each category has its own uh data privacy laws associated with it. Um each different category has different retention periods in which how long it needs to be kept um when it should be deleted and and restrictions and requirements uh upon the police department. >> Okay, that sounds good. Um and I did lie. I have one more question. um in order for the council to sort of fully consider um even though the application has been submitted but to approve to approve the um I guess authorizing you to apply for the funds. Um does a week layover change anything in terms of the the present status of the application? It doesn't sound like it since it it sounds like we've already submitted it on time. >> The the application has been submitted. I mean, I I I would believe that the the sooner we can we can retract it would probably be in the benefit of of our the city's reputation with the with the application receivers. But beyond that, I don't believe there's any other ramifications uh involved. >> Great. Thank you. Those are all the questions that I had. >> Thanks, Miss Kim. I think I saw Vice President Yang. >> Thank you, Council President. I want to say thank you to you, Council Member Kim, for your questions. Um, and thank you so much for coming and answering your questions, too. I know, um, it was probably on very short notice. Um, it absolutely was for me. I just want to be really transparent with folks that, um, I I appreciate that question, Council Member Kim, about just what are the impacts of a oneweek layover? You know, do we have flexibility to be able to to um, consider that because I am interested in a layover? I had um a couple of community members who reached out to me just maybe a few days ago asking well they they did have direct asks um around don't support don't support flock don't support the skyio contract and to me I'm just trying to understand is this the same thing as that so can you clarify for us about that I mean and as you know like we last week we uh passed the council passed a resolution um in opposition to the use of cameras and so I'm just wanting to make sure I'm on the same page didn't have accurate information about what this contract is. And and one last thing I'll add to is that I know um in the I think maybe a year or two ago was when our police department came and you all had a public hearing about the use of drone cameras. Um and so there was really a process laid out um around that piece already and there um overall there was approval to move forward in using the drone cameras. I don't think that it was something the council voted on, but that was more of like a department decision and and maybe like the mayor's office at the time to move forward with this. So, just trying to recollect everything that happened and and if you can try to just get us on the same page, facts, information um so we understand that' be really helpful. >> Sure. Uh there there was a lot to unwrap there. So, uh I hope that I can and get all the questions. So, um this is not flock related has has absolutely zero to do with flock. Um these these are drones from Skyo uh which is an Axon company which is the platforms that I had previously mentioned that our body cameras our incar cameras our tasers um many of the our RMS system our evidence management system is axonbased so it's just a uh a continuation of what the drone program is that we are currently operating you know our docked drone program so it's adding uh additional units to that each each drone can fly for 20 minutes up to a two two mile radius. Um so we don't provide coverage to the full city and um in in the 6 months that we've been flying just short of that. Um we've had remarkable success uh with the program and I'd be I' I'd love to come back and and talk to you further on that if you want to. >> Okay. Thank you. Well, council president, I would just wrap up [clears throat] my thoughts with if we were to take a vote on this, I wouldn't be ready to vote on it because I do have more questions that I want to be able to have a deeper dive with our police department about. I really appreciate folks who've reached out to us, especially those who've expressed their concerns around the um the contract with Skyo. And one thing I do want to point out is again like that process that I um that I mentioned which took place maybe a year or two ago. Um, and when that did happen, we didn't I I don't I just don't recall there being any sort of opposition at the time around the use of the the drones here. And so I I would really love to understand um basically if there's any been any sort of change you know in terms of a community stance from then um to now and basically what what has been the result of the the drone drone usage you know from when that f that that process took place until now too. So I mean I I my move my motion would be for a oneweek layover so that we have more time for each council member to dig into the details if they're interested. Great. Thank you vice president. So the motion on the tables for oh for a oneweek layover. Um I was looking this way. I'm not sure what order people's hands were. I think I'll go Miss Johnson, Miss Jo, Miss Coleman. Miss Johnson. >> Thank you. And uh thank you Chief Holstrom. I just had a question about the grants everything about the scope. Is there any part of the grant that we're applying for that's new costs that the city would incur? Um, so is this like offsetting the costs that the city already incurs by seeking out additional resources the federal government or is this costs that we are is this um funding that we're trying to offset anything that we would normally pay at the city or is this a grant that we're receiving to expand from what we're already paying? >> This is just a grant application to expand the current program. So there's there's no additional uh expenses to the city associated with this application. >> And how long was the grant period for? >> 2728 calendar year. >> Okay. Thank you. Thanks, Miss Johnson. Miss Jo. >> Um I have a question and then I have a comment um on the motion. So if it's my understanding this is an expansion of the program using this grant money. So, if you don't get the grant money, we don't expand the program, will the police department be looking for another way to fund this expansion out of their own budget or another another funding resource? >> We we would we there's no budget to expand this program. Um these these devices are are quite expensive uh to operate and and utilize. um we would be looking for additional resources uh grant funding sources that uh we would we would try to utilize. Uh there's no means for us to to do this without granting without grant funds. >> Okay. Um I I'll just say that I am supportive of the layover. I think you know this is kind of the first time I'm hearing about this being pulled and maybe for a discussion. I didn't get like I didn't get information from your office word five. I don't think you've reached out to us with information about about what we were going to be talking about today or what was going to um the decision that was going to be made ahead of us. So, I don't feel prepared to to vote either. I want to make sure that I have all the information and can make an informed decision. I do appreciate the um your comments um deputy chief palstrom about the budget because one of my big concerns was while we're talking today about you know the the budget and the parks and libraries, we were literally looking to fill $200,000 in each of those budgets. I didn't want to then create another $200,000 budget gap that we would have to figure out with the decision before us on this um on this program. That would make things not impossible, but I just wanted to know if that was what we were dealing with. So, I am supportive of the oneweek layover. appreciate that because you know as as one of the offices that co-sponsored the flock resolution last week um and put you know effort into that and trying to understand how that worked. I would like the same level of effort to be put in this um by our council as we consider if we should move forward on this or not. >> Great. Thanks M. Miss Coleman. >> Thank you council president. This is not a question so no need to listen to all of it waiting for a question. Uh just to comment on the motion. I'm happy to support a one week layover. Um, you know, I want to make sure folks have the time that they need to make an informed decision on this. We'll say that whether we vote today or next week, I will be voting no on this grant application. Um, I think that there are a couple of reasons that I just wanted to lay out for that. First is that we have been having over the last several months, but really in a very intense way over the last several weeks weeks a big conversation within the city and really within the country more broadly about how we balance our policing needs with our surveillance and our privacy and our civil rights. I think that that you know as we had the conversation around flock last week it was very clear and I think many of us at this table expressed that we need to have a much broader conversation about how we are approaching that and that we need to ensure that we are building community trust in our policing decisions that we are um putting frameworks and regulations in place that govern how we approach new technology recognizing that right now the conversation is around Axon and Flock and Sky Deio but next week or next year it's going to be around a new company as these companies are moving quickly to maximize their profits and that that is having a direct impact on again our safety and our rights here in the city. It's really critical to me that we don't make these decisions kind of one after the other, this contract, that contract, this grant application, that grant application, but have a a much bigger understanding of how we want to approach this decision-m in the future and what technologies we want to be using, when under what circumstances, how we want to be funding those, and again, how most critically we're building public trust in our policing institution and in our city as a whole. So I I given where we are in that process which is not even really at the starting line I don't feel comfortable voting to um support a grant application to expand a program that I think we are again in those active conversations around if you know this the my calculation might be different if this would have other budgetary impacts. So, I appreciate the questions from my colleagues about ensuring that this if we don't apply for this grant, we don't then have to fill a budget gap or have other budget solves that are necessary in this very difficult budget year. But since that isn't the case, I'll be voting no whether that's today or next week. >> Thanks, Miss Coleman. I think I saw Miss Buoie and then Miss Kim. >> Thank you, Council President. Um, and I just appreciate everything um that everyone said and in linement and agreement. Um, I also just want to say thank you so much for making yourself available um to be here. I think it's really important that we keep a consistency of like transparency and information. As you can see, this is becoming a very um hot button topic globally um in terms of how we are analyzing and making decisions particularly around mass surveillance and our equipment and um at low concert little concert intermission. Um but uh and how we are uh really just like considering how to make our community safer. And seems like the mic kind of turned up a little bit. Um I do have a question uh because I just want to just make sure in like all the things that was said in terms of like policy directions um discussing further around establishing a starting place like you know the question do we want to support drones like I think that is something worth for council to talk about um but I have a technical question particularly around this vote which is connected to just the technical part of um the application. So, um, have you have the department applied for this grant in the past? Like, is this a new grant? Uh, partic specifically for the DOJ community policing grant program. >> There's there's a number of categories that are that are eligible under this grant, this DOJ grant, and they're released uh almost every year, different different criteria for the DOJ grants. This is a micro grant, so it's it's not as associated with uh, you know, many of the other DOJ grants. This is a COPS grant. So, we we have applied for cops grants in the past. Um what what they've all entailed over the years, I I couldn't tell you off the top of my head. >> Yeah, I'm not asking for the details. I'm just curious to know if this like if we've been recipients of these grants in the past. Um and also uh when you are considering uh these grant applications and like the the the funds that we're looking for uh you know what type of conversations are had particularly with other departments our council members our ons cuz I I've applied for some of these grants in the past and other um in other uh positions here. Um, I'm just curious to know just like if this is a eligibility use cuz when I think about especially like normally community policing or more so like community alternatives are uh um backfilling or funding um the non-fatal shooting unit um more like handson. I haven't really seen um this type of grant used for hiring or excuse me not hiring purchasing equipment. Um, so if you could just speak to if this is the first time that we're applying for a grant, particularly for our drones program. >> This is the first time we've applied for a grant for to supplement the drone program that's currently operational. Um, there are a number of, like I said, there's there's probably 20 categories uh that cover this grant and this was this one was specifically targeted towards technology. Uh, you know, and that's why we we saw it and we thought we would >> got it. >> Try it. Yeah. Well, thank you so much. I also just want to say I will be supporting the layover. I do want to um further explore this conversation. I know uh we had touched on it a little bit with the public safety committee uh meeting particularly around all our surveillance um um uh equipment and SPD. I I do want to just learn more about it. Um I think there's some pros and cons. um you know obviously like the position that we had took last week was more so in terms of the manufacturing company that um was attached to um the the flock cameras and I I I don't want to conflate that um I think this deserves the attention it needs to understand entirely around um you know the use um and also the uh the public safety advancements um and I want to just also highlight that you did provide a one-pager um that gives that information, but I just want to just make sure that we all get a chance to, you know, ask our questions kind of offline and come back with a more informed decision. So, thank you. >> Thanks, Miss Buoie. I think I saw Miss Kim. >> Yeah, I really appreciate it. Um, I I'll start by saying that I'm um if we vote on it today or if we uh support a layover uh next week, I'm I'm not planning on supporting our application of this contract uh for the reasons that my um astute colleague, Council Member uh Coleman mentioned. Um to speak directly to the question that I received from Council Member Jose, part of it was it that it was flagged for me on Monday evening. and I sent an email at 6:21 p.m. after Id messaged our, uh, public safety chair and vice chair to see if anyone knew anything about this. And so, um, I didn't have information to share with my colleagues because this was the information that was being requested. Um, and my goal in this was to create transparency over what this, uh, grant was for and how we would use it and where the money was going. Um so it's just to say I have a deep gratitude um for for you uh DC Holler to come to share about the information of this grant so that we can bring it to light and so that my colleagues can make an informed decision on the matter. But that was the goal is transparency. Um so I appreciate you coming today and and again on incredibly short notice. Again I sent this Monday uh 6:20 p.m. and it was after I had connected with the public safety chair and vice chair. >> Thank you Miss Kim. Doesn't look like there's further discussion. And I will just say first of all, thank you to Miss Kim for pulling this off of consent so we could discuss it. I think it is really important to have these conversations publicly. We are in the midst of a conversation about surveillance, about technology, and most importantly about our data and about transparency. So I'm really grateful that we're having this conversation. Um I will support the motion for a oneweek layover [clears throat] as well. I agree with Council Member Buouie. I think it's really important that we um understand each of these technologies individually and ask questions and really ask the same questions about each of them. I'll probably have additional questions in between this week and next week, uh, Deputy Chief, but because I do think it's important to be public about our questions. Um, I want to ask some of them now. So, first of all, who who owns the data that drones collect? >> We do. St. City of St. Paul, St. Paul Police Department specifically. >> And is that shared with other agencies? >> No. >> Is there any way for people to I mean, the questions I hear from people are, is there a drone outside my window? Is it following me? Am I being surveiled? Is there a way for people to know when a drone is operational, where they go, when they've been out? Do we have any kind of transparency around that? >> Yeah, there it's every drone flight is posted publicly on a on a web page uh every within 12 hours of its flight. Um the city of St. Paul drones have a red and blue blinking lights on them. Um I I can't I can't speak to is is there a drone out your window? Uh am I being followed by a drone? They're certainly not ours. that's not that's not conduct or behavior in which we would we would support uh condone uh and would be against policy in the law. Um if you know so we we don't fly for that. We don't conduct any surveillance with these drones. Uh these drones are dispatched uh when a call for service comes in only. Um there are exceptions written in this into the state law for when we can and cannot fly these drones. So, um, you know that I I could I could have a very long and lengthy conversation, but I I think that answered your questions. >> Yeah. And are people able to look themselves? Is there any kind of public facing way to to see information about drone flights where they've been? >> Yep. That that that web page that I I I mentioned back in June when we were here, but there's a web page. It has it has the flight paths locations. So, if you look at the at the maps, you'll see that they all originate from three general locations. And there's a a you know, we can't tell you the exact street address of where where the drone was dispatched to, but it has the call type and the the location in which the general drone was was dispatched. Uh but just the last two two or three days, we've answered a lot of questions. Uh one, you know, from from council member Buouie about a drone downtown. That is not our drone. uh we we would actually hope to, you know, expand our ability to be able to help identify the drones and um you know, be able to respond to potential threats and things from non uh government drones uh that are in the area and there there's a lot of them out there. >> Thank you. And then I think my last question for now and then I will likely um have more um in between. I know when you presented a few months ago and as Vice President Yang mentioned, we did I know have a public conversation about our drone policy when it was first adopted. Um, is that that policy? Is that something that you can resend to all of us and that we can have attached to the record next week? How our drones are used, what our guard rails are? >> Sure. I I mean I we provided that all in June in June, but I can I can certainly uh send it again. Okay. >> Tomorrow. >> I think that'd be really helpful. Again, I I want to echo my colleagues. Thanks to you for coming. Um again, Miss Kim, thank you so much for pulling this. I look forward to the continued conversation. Um and with that, it sounds like the motion is for a oneweek layover. Uh any further discussion? Seeing none, all in favor say I. >> I. >> All opposed. >> Seven in favor, none opposed. The resolution is laid over. >> Item 31, resolution 26-1492, appointing Karen Dennis as communications lead, Reggie Evans as reparations legislative aid, and Joanna Zimnney as legislative hearing officer. It is always fun to get to welcome new staff. Um, so this is a hard pivot. Sorry. Uh so with this uh we will be appointing um some new colleagues. So we're going to do the resolution first and then we'll do the swearing in. Um I will make a motion for approval. Um and I will start the discussion by just saying how much I have already enjoyed um well I've been working with Miss Emy for quite a while. Um but I'm excited about her new position and it has just been an absolute delight um to work with Miss Dennis and Mr. Evans um over the last couple days and months respectively. and can't wait to continue that work. So, thank you so much for giving your time and your talent to the city. Uh, is there other discussion of the motion, [clears throat] Miss Johnson? And maybe Mr. Wilms sometimes gets in on these even though he's not a council member. Uh, yeah. I just wanted to share that I also am very excited to um have Miss Dennis and Mr. Evans as a as colleagues um and hopefully and soon France but also looking into the process and just the work that has been already put in by both I mean coming into the reparations work um Mr. Evans, you know, had to basically plan with the partnership with the community a massive tour with our harm report uh contractors. Within his first week, um you know, Miss Dennis basically came in and we're like, "We need a press release and we need all of our social medias and oh yeah, you also have to run um the entire intercommunications role for the council during the midst of really complex times and encampment closures." And so I just want to give a huge shout out to you all. you all continue the tradition of being baptized by fire here at the council um and here at the city. Uh so just know it's nothing is not necessarily special or particular to you all. We we all have been there and so I just want to share that and say welcome to the city and welcome to the council and it's a pleasure and honor to work with both of you. >> Thank you Miss Johnson. In the war two office we call it non boarding. Glad you could experience that. Mr. Wilms. >> Uh thank you council president and council members. So, I just wanted to um request your support for these appointments. I'm really excited to have you all uh three be sworn in, two new employees and and one longtime employee. I'm I'm just really grateful for the work that you do on behalf of the council and the city of St. Paul. and um would echo uh Council Member Johnson's uh comments about our two newest employees and how they've just jumped in with with both feet and it's been amazing to watch and um really think we are building out a great team here in council. Um and so just wanted to say uh share my excitement and and my gratitude for for the work that you've done and the work that you'll continue to do and excited to join in um on that work with you. >> Thank you, Mr. Wilms. Any further discussion of the motion? Seeing none. All in favor say I. I. >> All opposed. >> Seven in favor. None opposed. The resolution is adopted. >> First will be Miss Dennis. Come on up. >> And since Miss Dennis is our communications lead and therefore can't take a picture of herself getting sworn in, [laughter] you should make sure to do that. Miss Kazan. All right. Please raise your right hand and repeat after me. I state your name. I, Karen Dennis, >> do solemnly swear >> do solemnly swear >> to support the Constitutions >> to support the Constitutions >> of the United States >> of the United States >> and of the state of Minnesota >> and of the state of Minnesota >> and to discharge faithfully >> and to discharge faithfully >> the duties devolving upon me >> the duties devolving upon me >> as the communications lead >> as the communications lead >> of the city of St. Paul to the best of my judgment and ability >> to the city of St. all to the best of my judgment and my ability. >> Congratulations. >> Thank you. [applause] >> I think Mr. Evans is behind you. >> Mr. Evans, >> thank you. >> Congratulations. >> Y family can come. Okay, please raise your right hand and repeat after me. I state your name. >> I, Reggie Evans, >> do solemnly swear >> do solemnly swear >> to support the Constitution >> to support the Constitution >> of the United States >> of the United States >> and of the State of Minnesota >> and of the State of Minnesota >> and to discharge faithfully >> and to discharge faithfully >> the duties devolving upon me >> the duties >> devol >> devolving upon me [laughter] >> as the reparations legislative aid >> as reparations legislative aid >> of the city of St. Paul >> of the city of St. to the best of my judgment and ability. >> to the best of my judgment and ability. >> Congratulations. [applause] >> Congratulations. And while Missy is coming up with her guests, I want to acknowledge that there are family and friends of all of our uh inductees or swearing in ease, appointees, whatever today. And um yes and we um we thank you as well because we know that this is this takes a village and takes a team and we appreciate your letting uh your family members and friends be part of our team. >> Okay, >> raise your right hand and repeat after me. I state your name. I join as in >> do solemnly swear >> do solemnly swear >> to support the Constitutions >> to support the Constitutions >> of the United States >> of the United States >> and of the state of Minnesota >> and of the state of Minnesota >> and to discharge faithfully >> and to discharge faithfully >> the duties devolving upon me >> the duties devolving upon me >> as the legislative hearing officer >> as the legislative hearing officer >> of the city of St. Paul >> of the city of St. Paul >> to the best of my judgment and ability to the best of my judgment and ability congratulations >> [applause] [applause] >> Thank you. >> Congratulations to you and to all three of you. Can't wait to continue working together. Item 32, staff report 26-186, staff report on the state of our youth address. Miss Kim. >> Awesome. Thank you. while my illustrious intern JC takes the stand. Is the computer on and ready to rock? Does it look good? Awesome. Um, we had a fabulous inaugural state of the youth and therefore it's is equally important that we get a staff report on how it went. Um, some of my colleagues were able to make it. For those that couldn't, um, I'm not going to say you missed out, but you you mostly missed out. Um, and I'm sure for good reasons. But next year it'll be even the bar will be even higher. Um one of the best uh number one feedback we received was that we need a bigger room um because it was standing room only and it spilled out into the hallway. Um so with that I'm going to turn it over to um my wonderful Right Track intern JC Johnson Becker for a staff report on how the state of the youth address went. >> Thank you Council Member Kim. All right. Uh well this year we hosted our first uh inaugural youth address. Um our speakers came from the youth on boards program which hopefully you'll probably see in resolutions coming soon. And we had youth poets and speeches. Our uh speakers came from wards 1 3 4 and 7. And they all had varying ass of the city. So now I'd like to see and ask if OTC could play the cued video. Kids should not be at protests. Wait, what? Let me say that again. I don't believe children should be at protests ever. We're supposed to be learning about algebra and geometry, not what color of skin makes someone inferior. We're supposed to be running to catch a bus, not running from a man with a mask and a rifle. But somehow we ended up holding signs instead of pencils. Our voices crackling through megaphones instead of presenting to our class. Our feet carrying us through the streets to the capital instead of to third period. We shouldn't know what injustice feels like before we can even drive. We shouldn't have to demand equal rights before we can vote. We shouldn't have to memorize emergency pro protocols and statistics and the names of things that should never even happened. We are children. We're supposed to be loud because we're cheering for our friends, not because our voices need to be carried over crowds. We're supposed to cry over scraped knees and breakups, not because we're scared of the systems and people who are supposed to protect us. We're supposed to be tired because we're up too late finishing a movie, not because we're reading the news, wondering how many more people are going to die before our country realizes that the burdens of injustice should not fall onto the shoulders of children. That kids shouldn't protest, shouldn't speak up. Not because they can't, but they shouldn't have to. But yet, here we are, standing on steps too tall for us. Speaking into microphones bigger than our raised fists, trying to get the people in power to listen. Adults say you're so brave, but bravery shouldn't be required just to grow up. We shouldn't need to be brave. I want to be loud, not because my voice needs to be heard, but because my funny my friend just said the funniest thing literally ever. I want to cry because I lost a soccer game. I want to be tired because I was up studying for a test. I want to be able to leave school without teachers in neon vests guarding the perimeter. I want classrooms without fear, news that doesn't feel about me, about us. I want to trust that the people in charge actually know how to be in charge. Because when children start marching, something is already wrong. When kids are organizing, writing speeches, skipping school, that's not brave. That's not inspirational. That should be a warning. Kids shouldn't have to protest. We should be able to inherit a world that works, not one that we need to fix. Our job should be to imagine our future, not beg for one. [applause] And that would be Eliza Johnson, a semifinalist in a poetry competition. I would like to uh briefly read over some quotes from the speeches just to highlight them. Uh first we have Charlie St. Dennis who said we can have a stronger multimodel transportation options. We can promote the use of cleaner energy. We can have robust tree canopy that not only looks beautiful but makes the air we breathe cleaner. We can work with intergovernmental partners to have municipal composting, strong public transit, and better parks. I hope that we remember that investing in sustainability is investing in young people. We are a generation that will inherit the decisions made in the coming months. We will live with the transportation systems funded, the trees planted, the air we breathe, the parks we maintain, and the climate that results from the choices we make today. From Emanuel Adugan, me and my family were personally affected because they were scared that something would happen to one of us, especially with ice being spotted around our neighborhood. So, I had to take pictures of my younger siblings documents to make sure if anything were to happen, at least I have proof that they belong here. I was isolated home. I only went to school and came right back home because my parents didn't know what could happen. It has affected a lot of people. Also in my community, I went around asking people about their experience. What I heard was devastating. People could not even leave their house to get basic needs for their family like toiletry or food because they feared they would get racially profiled. A good friend of mine had church members that were taken across the country and put in detention centers just to get released. from Mariah Anderson. When you don't have reliable housing, it dismantles every other aspect of your life and it makes it nearly impossible to put it back together. In 2025, remember how much I hated my life and how I lived. Everything in my life was unorganized and unsustainable. I couldn't be alone. I couldn't even focus on my appearance, which is wildly out of character for me, and I was incapable of living outside of my dayto-day. It was very helpful at the time to find something to help me feel human again. Fortunately for something that is substances or harmful acts, but for me that was my friends. They were my home. Imagine how different my experience could have been if housing was treated like a right rather than a privilege for everyone, but especially youth from Gayler Ta. Right track has taught me more than a lot of things I have experienced that were supposed to give me an idea of what work is like. Right track did something for me that many other things didn't do that allowed me to actually face it head-on with proper guidance and expectancy. As someone who doesn't even know what they're really want to do in the future, this opportunity finally gave me a clear vision of what I was truly passionate about. Right track have given gave a ton of opportunities for all kinds of different areas everybody specializes in. This was a first time experience for me. However, it was also an experience that actually gave me an idea of what I fully expect to do when I actually enter professional environment. Right track did exactly that and guided me to youth on boards which led me to ultimately get the full expectancy of working in an unusual environment and myself. This year only had enough internships for half of their applicants which means these internships are what we are looking for for us. It means our future. I would love to see my friends and the youth all around the city getting opportunities that will mean something to them. Opportunities to connect with career professionals and time spent in a workplace is not something that we take for granted. So I ask from the city is to grow programs dedicated to giving us work experience whether that is increasing funding or expanding types of internships offered connecting with local businesses. And lastly from Fernando, we didn't just lose time in the classroom. We also lost the opportunity to spend time together, talk with our classmates, and feel that we had a community around us. In addition to the anxiety of leaving our houses with the tear that if we left that door, we might not come back to close it. Many of us had to rely on neighbors and friends to take the trash or get the food delivered to the door. For many students, including myself, that isolation had a huge impact on our mental health. Got to the point where I lost my way and wanted to end my life. And while we tried to focus on our classes, many of us were also worried about much more basic things. Would my family have a home to live in? Would we have food? Would our family and friends be safe? On our worst day, we need a designated team to rapidly respond to the city's only designated unit is a community alternative response emergency care services or CARES. Please keep this designated unit as a part of the St. Paul Fire Department. So the specific asset we've gotten from the city are such of interest in the climate director to help help foster uh interest in sustainable and renewable programs in the city to increase the funding for Riterek to adopt housing first policies to assist with legal aid for immigrants keeping the CARES unit and safer biking routes for sustainable transportation. Thank you for my watching my presentation and I hope to see you all next year. Thank you. [applause] Thank you JC for this amazing report. I think we have a resolution coming in just a moment that is going to follow up on anything I might say and definitely exceed it. Um also want to thank you Miss Kim for your leadership in bringing our first annual State of the youth address to us. Looking forward to future years. Um, I leave the floor to you, Miss Kim. I know there's no formal motion, but do you want to have any other words? >> Um, I I don't have any other words. I just remain in awe. JC uh not only graduated from high school um had his grad party uh did was the star in uh circus Juventus whimsy and was doing two day shows a day for a while and also managed to pull off an incredibly successful state of our youth address. I had a moment where I was like stressed out about getting kids to think this was cool and then I was stressed out about getting kids like people in the room to listen to the powerful speeches that we had. Um, and I I do mean it. The best feedback we got was that we just need a bigger room next year. So, um, I'm looking forward to working with you again, JC. Uh, Carla Franco's in the room, so I'm saying that on record. I'm looking forward to working with him again next year. Um, and somehow we set a bar very very high, but I'm looking forward to exceeding it with you again next year. Thank you so much for the work that you've put in, the thoughtfulness, um, and the attention to detail to make this just um, beyond beyond words. So, thank you so much. And with that, maybe we should segue to item 30. Item 30, resolution 26-1493, proclaiming September 2nd, 2026 as JC Johnson Becker Day in the city of St. Paul. >> [applause] >> is very surprised, which is a good thing. Uh surprise. So, [laughter] this uh I will say this won't happen every year. Um but this is just because of how wonderful you are. Um but also just how great you did. Um I'm going to do the annoying thing and read this into the record because um there are a lot of things that I think all of you should know about JC. So, uh, whereas Jaci Johnson Becker was born and raised in St. Paul two and a half weeks early and has always been in a hurry. Jaci is described as a voracious reader. He learned his alphabet before he was 2 years old, but stubbornly did not want to learn XYZ and was once convinced that he'd be fine with A through W. As a child, JC could often be found surrounded by piles of books he has read. JC's first language is German and demonstrated his proficiency early in life as he navigated Vienna, Austria's light rail system at six years old, speaking only German just to get his favorite ice cream and to this day reads books, book series, and watches movies with his mother fully in German. JC's love of sports and academics has led him to admired myriad I chose that word of different activities like te-ball and gymnastics, dance and circus. JC danced in the Nutcracker, performed as Mo Mowgli in the Jungle Book, and has won a bronze and silver at nationals for the academic decathlon. And recently, JC fills his pastime with particip uh with practicing a aerobics theater vault mini fire jump rope. I have no idea what that is, and I don't want to know. And a see-through ladder. JC was awarded Circus Juventus's all-around performer for his portrayal of Augustus Gloop and an Oompa Loompa in this summer's performance of Whimsy. And despite his 13 years of love of circus performance, he turned down the opportunity to meet and train with Cirus Sole to meet his political hero, Lieutenant Governor Peggy Flanigan. In 2023, JC started his employment journey with Ritra, the city of St. Paul's youth employment training program. JC began working with the youth on boards initiative which led him to his appointment to serve as a commissioner on the St. Paul planning commission where he currently continues to serve in this capacity. JC has continued to grow his skills by continued participation in Right Track programs in summers of 2024 2526 where he served as a financial justice intern with OF and interned with former mayor Melvin Carter's office and most recently having served as the W five city council intern for the council member Hua Jang Kim where he led the city's inaugural state of the youth address and now therefore be it resolved for his exemplary work leading the city's inaugural state of the youth address. The St. Paul City Council proclaims September 2nd, 2026 as JC Johnson Becker Day in the city of St. Paul. >> Um, so typically people know this is coming. Um, but if you'd like to say a few if you want to try to say a few words, um, we'd love to love to hear it. I just want to say this has been one of the most fun and I guess interesting is the only word I can come up with now internship I've had and it was just such a blast to put this event together. I want to thank council member Kim because I never really had like much of an opportunity besides getting these internships with the city to really voice my opinions on the city and I think it was just such a fantastic event. So, thank you so much and I hope to see you again next year. >> So, yeah. Thank you. [applause] >> Uh, with that, I make a motion for approval. >> There is a motion for approval. Uh, is there any discussion of the motion? Vice President Yang. >> Thank you, Council President. That was very heartfelt. JC, I want to say congratulations to you. Um and um this is so welld deserving in terms of the resolution and the day being dedicated to you. I I want to commend you along with council member Kim for your partnership with our incredible right track staff members and even the youths who were part of sprocket. Um because you know in what I saw from the event um being there myself and just even seeing the the reflections that JC you shared with us earlier is that there truly was that partnership and intersection that you um that you both created and it was really phenomenal. I want to say thank you for um continuing to bring on youths and into your work and council member Kim in the decade that we've known each other you've continued to be a staunch advocate for our youths and created space for them. uh the state of the city um the state of the youth address is um clearly a great example of that and I am really excited for the ways in which you will continue to foster leadership and just mentor our youth in your office. All of this work was pulled off I believe during a time when there wasn't the legislative aid available or you know in in your office. Um, and so JC, it just really speaks volumes about the the workload you can carry, your commitment, your passion to the work here, and I'm just truly in awe um of everything that happened at the state of the youth address. I'm really excited for the event to continue happening and and look forward to it being a tradition every single year. So, great job to the both of you and to everybody who was involved in this. Thank you, Vice President. Other discussion of the motion? Seeing none, I will just echo everything. Vice President Yang just said and Miss Kim said, "We have been honored to get to work with you and can't wait to keep doing it." Um, and I didn't know this was a surprise. So, I hope that I didn't uh keep referring to this resolution that was coming and giving you the heads up. Um, but you look surprised. And also just want to acknowledge that you also have it looks like family and friends here and grateful to all of you for taking time and clearly um you have had amazing love and support around you uh for a long time, including right now. So, really grateful that you all could be here for this special moment. Uh with that all in favor say I. I. >> All opposed. Seven in favor, none opposed. The resolution is adopted. Congratulations again. Item 33, resolution public hearing 26-210, approving the application of the University of St. Thomas for a sound level variance in order to present amplified sound for Tommy Fest homecoming event on Friday, September 25th at 2115 Summit Avenue, JP Monahan Plaza. >> Okay, now this is a real hard pivot. We are moving on to our public hearing section of our agenda. If you are here for a public hearing, when your item is called, we ask you to please, if you want to testify, come on up, stand in between the two microphones. You don't need to touch them or move them or adjust them. You can stand up straight. They'll pick you up just fine. You'll have two minutes to testify. We ask that you start with your name and where you're coming from, and that when you're done, you sign in on either of the two signin sheets. Um, there's a clock right in front of you to help you know how your time is going. And I'm also here to help you with that. They do go by quickly. So, with that, this is a public hearing on item 33. If you are here to testify, please come on up. Seeing none, I'll take a motion from Miss Coleman to close the public hearing and approve. All in favor, say, "I." >> I. I. >> All opposed. >> Seven in favor, none opposed. The resolution is adopted. Item 34, resolution, public hearing 26-27, approving the application of University of St. Thomas for a sound level variance in order to present amplified sound for the Creton Durham Hall football events on Thursday, October 8th, and Wednesday, October 21st, 2026 at 215 Summit Avenue, Oanise Stadium. >> This is a public hearing. Is there anyone here to speak to this item? >> Seeing none, I'll take a motion from Miss Coleman to close the public hearing and approve. All in favor say I. I. >> All opposed. >> Seven in favor, none opposed. The resolution is adopted. Item 35, resolution, public hearing 26-221, approving the application of Anderson race management for a soundle variance in order to present amplified sound for a walk for water event on Saturday, September 26th at 226 Spring Street, Upper Landing Park. This is a public hearing. Is there anyone here to speak to this item? Seeing none, I'll take a motion from Miss Jo to close the public hearing and approve. All in favor say I. I. >> All opposed. >> Seven in favor, none opposed. The resolution is adopted. Item 3626-222, amending the spending plan in the fire department public safety aid projects to be more accurately to more accurately account for the expenditures. This is a public hearing. Is there anyone here to speak to this item? Seeing none, I'll take a motion from Miss Buoie to close the public hearing and approve. All in favor say I. I. >> All opposed. >> Seven in favor, none opposed. The resolution is adopted. Item 37, resolution public hearing 26-236, amending the financing and spending plans in the fire department in the amount of $18,118.15 for the contribution received from the Minnesota Board of Firefighter Training and Education to pay for the training for firefighters. This is a public hearing. Is there anyone here to speak to this item? Seeing none, I'll take a motion from Miss Johnson to close the public hearing and approve. All in favor say I. I. >> All opposed. >> Seven in favor, none opposed. Resolution is adopted. Item 38, resolution public hearing 26-237, amending the financing and spending plans in the fire department in the amount of $8,500 for a payment received for selling a trailer that was no longer needed for department use. This is a public hearing. Is there anyone here to speak to this item? Seeing none, I'll take a motion from Vice President Yang to close the public hearing and approve. All in favor say I. >> I. All opposed. >> Seven in favor, none opposed. The resolution is adopted. Item 39, resolution public hearing 26-238, amending the financing and spending plans in the fire department for the amount of $37,000 for the amount received from the sale of the land located at 1683 Energy Park Drive. This is a public hearing. Is there anyone here to speak to this item? Seeing none, I'll take a motion from Miss Kim to close the public hearing and approve. All in favor say I. I. >> All opposed. >> Seven in favor, none opposed. The resolution is adopted. Item 40, RLHRR26-16, amending second making finding on the appealed substantial abatement ordered for 947 Fremont Avenue in Council RH25-34. Miss Mormon, Council President, council members, uh you have this well, you've had this uh case in front of you for quite a while. Last week uh or two weeks ago, you asked that uh there be updated information on the percent of completion so that that could inform your decision on moving forward particularly as it relates to forfeite of part of the performance deposit. Uh what I've recommended in the resolution is the $5,000 of the 15 that they've ended up posting be forfeit. The council actually did that about a month ago. Second part of my recommendation was to forfeit $2500 for each subsequent month that the project remains incomplete. Uh the council could go with that recommendation. It strikes me that I could put a couple other options in front of the council too to consider or discuss. Uh you could not forfeit any additional money of course just taking no action. You could modify uh to forfeit less less frequently than once a month. Uh you could also instead of doing a forfeite of the existing performance deposit require that additional performance deposit be posted and um in a case like this were the council to choose a path like that, I would say no less than $10,000. So those I think are the options. There was uh some information added. I don't even know if it's hit your records yet. Right before the council meeting, we got some information from um Jay Mitchell who's representing the the owner of the Moneyman LLC and he's provided an engineering report and so on that shows that there is progress being made, but that of course the inspection that occurred I believe yesterday morning showed 5% at zero. sir. So, it's negligible. >> Great. Thanks, Miss Mormon. Um, look to Miss Johnson. >> Thank you, Council President, and thanks, Miss Mormon. Um, and just to confirm then that right now since we did the performance inspection, the performance inspection found that the city conducted found that we were at about 5% of completion for repairs. Okay. And then also from previous, if I'm remembering from the record correctly, the estimated time that the owner is looking at is how many months have they shared? >> I would have to pull that up. I'm assuming that it's a 180day timeline that they're working off of to complete the project. That would be the standard grant of time and I can get detail from a different file. >> Okay. And then just to clarify, so the $5,000 would be is forfeited >> and the remaining the what is the remaining balance? >> Yeah, originally required to post 5,000 like everybody else. >> 0% completion at the six-month mark instead of forfeiting at that point require an additional 10 be posted at this mark. Now we're at 17 months out. Uh I asked the council and the council did forfeit 5,000. So down to 15 posted down to 10 and I suggest increments thereafter. But you do have options. So >> okay. So we're down to 10 with 2500 as the increment monthly. >> Yeah. And I believe they have indicated that they it will be impossible for them to do that timeline, >> the 180day timeline. >> They the the um if it's forfeited monthly, the balance of the performance deposit will be evaporated before the 180 days is complete. >> Okay. So, how how much would the monthly withdrawal be to align with the 180day timeline? What would be the Okay. Um, of course you asked this. >> It's okay. I So, what I will be asking my colleagues for is actually for the support that I have no qualms about the forefeiter. I do have a slight concern about the incremental forfeite not align with the 180 days that we've already allotted for. And so my recommendation would be actually my amendment to the the resolution would be to um to uh move forward with the for forfeite but the $2500 for forfeite monthly to me. Uh my intent would be to align it with whatever dollar amount is allocated to ensure that it aligns with 180 days. That would actually be, unless I'm mistaken, every 45 days there would be a forefeer uh to spread if you spread um $10,000 out over a period of 6 months. >> Okay. So, that would be my recommendation in part because I think with to align with the time that we've already given, I think the detering from that time frame that we've already expected seems a little inconsistent to me. So, that would be my recommendation. Okay. So to forfeit the current perform I want to make sure I'm stating the resolution the motion to forfeit the current performance deposit and of is that 5,000 the the 10,000 there's 15,000 posted now. You have already forfeited five a month ago. And so you're dealing with what the balance is and whether to forfeit and in what amount at what rate. So to forfeit the remaining 10,000 every 45 days at an amount of >> 25. >> Yes. Till the work is complete. Okay. Thank you, M. Johnson. Thank you everyone for bearing with me. Any discussion of the motion? M Vice President Y. >> Thank you, Council President. I just wanted to share my support for the motion. Great. >> Okay. >> All right. Seeing no further discussion, all in favor say I. >> I. All opposed. >> Seven in favor. and opposed. The resolution is adopted as motioned. Legislative hearing consent agenda items 41 through 51 are before you for your consideration. >> Is there anything to be taken separately, Miss Mormon? >> Yes, there is. Item 46477 Ohio Street. >> I'm sorry, which one? >> 46. >> 46. >> Uh, item 46, RHTA26-158, ratifying the appealed special tax assessment for property at 777 Ohio Street. >> Miss Mormon. Council President, um this is an unusual uh abatement charge to be in front of you. It is an interior abatement actually um clearing a sewer line. Uh the the situation was that this property was referred by the police to the Department of Safety and Inspections as having dangerous conditions. That referral happened on March 8th and the Department of Safety and Inspections began routing it among their staff right away on March 9th. The uh inspector did go out to the property according to the records in front of me uh promptly thereafter and uh was denied access to the house. The police did indicate and um the referral says the female is living in her home alone with stage four cancer. She has black mold covering her basement and her sewage no longer works. Non-livable and unsafe conditions. She can't afford to fix her plumbing and hasn't been able to flush for weeks. So the um I know they went to Ramsey action programs. They've got they went around and looked for different kinds of things. what um the city was able to do and this happened then in the month of April is hire you know at the end of March they hired an outside contractor. The contractor did work like a week later in um the first week of April and that was to clear out the sewer line entirely. Uh that work happened. Then the charge um that you're looking at uh in the assessment is uh $6,868 with fees attached. The sewer contractor did indicate that it was the worst situation of clog situation that they had ever encountered uh so uh involving paper um and non flushable products if you will. Um, this was a no-show legislative hearing. I don't know if I mentioned that on two occasions. Uh, between those two occasions, we made five phone calls and were unsuccessful in connecting with the property representative. the owner um did pass in May and uh there's information that has been attached to the file from earlier and also some information now that in May the sewer line was also in bad condition and they believe that the work the problem that had happened in causing sewage to back up in the basement was because the city contractor did the job incorrectly. Testimony can correct this if I'm getting this wrong because this is all kind of on the fly. Uh there was also attached to your file just recently a statement from a plumber who' reviewed it and uh had something similar to say the public health house calls program did um what I can tell from the record uh provide two large dumpsters which were used to remove items from the house at that time. I don't know. Uh it it the department of safety and inspections inspector indicated that house calls would be cleaning the floor in the basement. Also, uh I just heard that that didn't happen. I don't know what the situation is. I'd want to get more information from house calls on that. And as I said, I don't have a hearing to refer on for a back and forth. So, um right now, my recommendation is to ratify the assessment and make it payable over one year. These are tragic circumstances. The city went in and did this in order that uh the owner could continue to stay in her home for the hospice time period. So, it is it is sad. It's unusual. It's gross. It's just all of the bad things. >> Thanks, Miss Mormon. Um we'll hold the public hearing in a moment. Um but before that, I as you mentioned, it's not usual to have the city do an interior abatement. I'm curious. You mentioned just now the circumstances that led to that, but what are the formal circumstances that need to be in place for us to make the decision to actually go into someone's home, perform work, and then assess them for the cost. Generally speaking, uh they need to determine that it is a public nuisance. uh that kind of determination in the past. I know we've had cases where we've had rat and cockroach infestations that have impacted neighboring properties. I imagine what they were looking at, I'd need to follow up with them here, is just the um germ spread in such a small area. You know, that that would be the biggest concern for um a large amount of sewage in a basement. And that would be and the o the the owner um absolutely wanted to work with the department. This was a request. >> I was going to that is my next question. So this was done with the consent of the property owner. >> Yes, absolutely. And that allowed her to stay in the home which was her desire. >> Okay. I want to preview uh the public hearing by saying that my my gut instinct is that it would be best to send this back to legislative hearing to actually let you sort through the facts of the case rather than doing that here. But we will go ahead and hold the public hearing. Um, so thank you, Miss Mormon. I'm sorry. Any other questions for Miss Mormon? I was in it to win it. Okay. Um, we will now hold the public hearing. So, if you're here to testify on this item, please come on up and you'll have two minutes and just start with your name, where you're coming from, and please focus on what your ask would be of the council. >> My name is Jessica Classen. Um, this was my mother's house. Um, I have typed something up. Sorry, a little nervous, guys. Um, [clears throat] I'm here today because Ramsey County is claiming $6,800 in charges for work that they claimed was performed on my mother's property. I respectfully dispute these charges because I have evidence showing the work being built. I have documentation and evidence supporting my position, including photos, videos, and invoices from a separate licensed and insured plumber who inspected and performed necessary plumbing work shortly after my mother had passed. The evidence shows that other than install installation of the new pipe, the work the city claimed to have completed was either not performed or not necessary. That plumber was able to address the actual issue, which his evidence also contradicts certain descriptions of the condition of the plumbing that were used to justify the city charges. I respectfully ask the city council to look at the city claimed $6,800 charge against the actual evidence and dismiss or fix the charges. Thank you for your time. >> Thank you so much. Make sure to sign in. Um, is there anyone else here to speak on this item? Welcome up. >> Hey, my name is Adam Lynn. Uh before Vicki died, Jessica was living in South Carolina, so I was dealing with this plumbing issue when I found out that my mom's sister was having these health issues. I uh personally talked with safety and inspections multiple times. some of the work that is being built. I have a voicemail from the gentleman saying they purposely did not do that because they didn't feel it needed to be done. They just needed to get a jet truck out there to jet the lines. There's two charges on the bill. One for digging, one for jetting the pipe. They never did the digging. So, we're not disputing the whole bill. It's just the part where they said they dug it up and replaced the pipe, but they never replaced. And they also claim on the receipts that there's a threemonth warranty. We were calling in May. They did the work in April. Nobody would ever come out to actually warranty it, come look at it. Vicki was in the hospital for 3 weeks. Came home. The whole basement was still flooded. So, it was completely unsafe for her to even be in there. And that's why the city of St. Paul got involved to begin with. So, somewhere the ball got dropped. I just want to see it. You know, I don't want Jessica to have to be responsible for something that was never done. >> Thank you. >> Thank you very much. And, uh, make sure to sign in. Is there anyone else here to speak on this item? All right. I I want to first of all extend my condolences to both of you on the loss of your mother and your aunt. Thank you so much for coming in. I'm so sorry that we're in this we're having this conversation in these circumstances. Um I'm going to move to close the public hearing. All in favor say I. >> I. >> All opposed. >> Seven in favor, none opposed. Public hearing is closed. Um, I'm going to uh so I hearing everything that you've said, it sounds like there are some serious factual disputes about what happened and didn't happen. And to the request that you've both made, um, the city council does have a process for looking into these things and investigating them. And that process is exactly the legislative hearing that Miss Mormon was referring to earlier. So, I'm really glad that you're both here and that you can make the connection with her. Um, my motion is going to be to refer this back to legislative hearing. So, I would ask that you work with Miss Mormon, respond to her requests to set a date and time for you to come in. That's the place where these factual disputes can really be ironed out, where we can hear from the different parties that got did the work, the parties you're referencing, um, and really sort through it so that we can get a full recommendation from Miss Mormon. Um, so that's going to be my recommendation. Um, Miss Mormon, do you need anything more? >> Yes, please. Uh could the rec could it be preferred to legislative hearing for October 6th and a council public hearing for October 14th so that if there is a ratification that it concur uh on on the council's timeline I will make that motion. Is there any discussion of the motion? Seeing none all in favor say I. >> I. >> All opposed. >> Uh seven in favor none opposed. The motion passes as stated. >> All right. Is there anything else to come before us for separate consideration? >> I'm not aware of anyone else here to testify. >> In that case, we will hold a public hearing on the rest of the legislative hearing items. If there's anyone here to testify on items 41 through 51, now is your public hearing. Please come on up. Seeing none, I'll take a motion from Vice President Yang to close the public hearings and adopt the recommendations of the legislative hearing officer along with any amendations or recommendations, etc. All in favor say I. >> All opposed. Seven in favor, none opposed. The legislative hearing consent agenda is adopted as amended. >> All right, with that we are at the end of our agenda. This is the time for good news andor news from the boards. Looking to my colleagues, vice president. >> Thanks, Council President. Wanted to share about a back to school backpack giveaway happening in the east side. It's on September 10th, 400 p.m. to 6:00 p.m. and being hosted by Mong American Partnership and JP Morgan Chase. They'll be giving away 200 backpacks filled with supplies such as notebooks, pens, pencils, and other school essentials. It's a first come, first- serve uh basis and children must be present to receive a backpack. It's a limit of one backpack per child. It'll be located at the Mong American Partnership Building on 1075 Arcade Street. Thanks, Vice President. It is that season. Other news? Okay, doesn't look like it. And I didn't even have time to check to see if I had news, so that's fine. 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