Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> So, I went through >> Test 1 2. Turn your You can Can you hear it in yours now? Test 1 2 3. Test 1 2. Test It says we're muted. >> Control shift M is set to unmute. >> What's it say? Test 1 2 1 2. >> Yeah. >> Now try it. All right, now we got it. We're good. We got you. Just make sure you're muted. >> I'm out. >> Awesome. Thanks. All right, well, that's a new one. I've never seen that before. >> But it's like we did >> Good evening. Welcome to the June 15th Planning Commission meeting. If all commissioners would please mute your microphone until it's your turn to speak, that would be appreciated. Uh members of the public can join this meeting online on any PC, Mac, or other device. Um you can access the meeting online at the city's website, woodbury.gov. Um public can ask questions and provide comments online. Uh members of the public >> Uh-oh. >> can join this meeting online on any Nothing better than hearing your own voice back to you. Um can ask questions or provide comments online during the meeting by using the link uh to the virtual meeting to join. Submit your questions via the question and answer feature within the meeting. Please include your name and address when submitting a question or comment. Uh you also have the option of asking any questions you have regarding this meeting uh during regular business hours at City Hall. For members of the public that are here in person and would wish to speak on a topic in person on the agenda, please fill out one of the yellow forms at the back of the room. Provide that sheet to staff. Um all questions online and in person will be called on after the project in reference is presented. Uh with that, we will call the meeting to order. Uh, Dan, can you do the roll, please? >> Thank you, Chair. Marsha Kennedy. >> Here. >> John Column. >> Here. >> Stephanie Swanson. >> Here. >> Shay See Brooks. >> Here. >> Jacob Guzik. >> Here. >> Giselle Parnell. >> Here. >> Rian Hallole. >> Here. >> Soren Shaw. >> Here. >> And Jim Gentile. Chair, we have a quorum. >> Thank you, Dan. Uh, one item on the agenda for this evening. Uh, that is the Bailey Properties Master Plan, project number 19-2025-00 603. Um, and Eric, I believe you are presenting this plan. >> Thank you, Chair. The City of Woodbury has conducted a master plan for the property located to the north of Bailey Road. This is the Bailey Holdings. Those holdings are approximately 185 acres of land, again, north of Bailey Road and just to the west of the existing New Life Academy site. Master plans are required for properties that are above 100 acres in size or if it's a part of an opening of a development phase or sub phase. So, in this case, the Bailey Holdings are above the 100 acre threshold, which necessitates the need for a master plan. The city has, uh, successfully utilized master plans to, um, guide development in the past on several occasions. Some of those are listed on the screen. The Planning Commission is certainly familiar with the Dale Road and Cottage Grove Drive Master Plan that was recently reviewed and approved by both the Planning Commission and City Council. But, previously, the city has used it as part of our transit oriented development as part of the Gold Line. Um, the South of Dale Residential Development Area that was in advance of opening up of subphase 2C and 2D. Um, or the urban village area. The urban village is the west side of Radio Drive, south side of Bailey that's shown in the upper right-hand corner. And going all the way back to the area where we are right now, which is the city center area back to 1982. So, again, the city has been well served by utilizing master plans. The purposes of this master plan is to focus on the areas that are on the screen and I'll briefly walk through those components. They were also highlighted within the planning commission staff report, but the area of stormwater management, a connection for them a pedestrian and greenway corridor standpoint, focusing on some architectural themes. And there will be some modifications that are recommended out of the master plan for changes to the comprehensive plan. I'll begin with the stormwater management approach. Uh, the graphic on the screen in the red boxes highlight the two areas of regional ponds. The reason for the regional pond is an effective and efficient way to handle the stormwater for the proposed development areas versus the alternative, which could be multiple smaller stormwater ponds on each individual development site. So, as part of the development of this site, the regional ponds, uh, in the this regional pond, I should say, will be developed up front as part of the initial infrastructure improvements. The latter and the northern regional pond will be graded and built as part of the low-density residential development, which is not anticipated to be in the first phase of this project. The overall southern regional pond would provide stormwater management for all of the areas, uh, this southern area, as well as provide stormwater management for future expansions to Bailey Road. Another focus area was the pedestrian and Greenway corridors. You can see a very dedicated connection point to Carver Lake Park to the north including the east-west Greenway corridor along the north property, also Greenway corridors along the eastern property line tying back into the Century Road corridor which the graphic doesn't show very clearly. We will update that as it moves to a final master plan, but there are pedestrian infrastructure improvements proposed on both sides of Century Avenue that will link a lot of these pedestrian movements through the site. So very high quality connectivity through the different uses that are proposed within this master plan. The architectural themes are an area as we as the previous graphic shows, there's a number of different uses proposed here, commercial, more retail uses, light industrial, office, sorry, light industrial, industrial type uses, high density residential whether that's an apartment format or a townhome format. The medium density is anticipated more of a townhome format. So it was important to look at architectural themes to bring all of these projects together, the different land uses, the different categories together for continuity purposes. So the master plan contemplates some material palettes. How that will be implemented as some of the first projects that will be in front of the planning commission will set the tone and we'll see some of those carried on as the projects move forward to really create a sense of place in the broader 185 acres. Also in part of the of the master plan is a modification to land use to support the acquisition of approximately 30 acres by New Life Academy. When the 2040 comprehensive plan was adopted, it was not this was not contemplated this acquisition. So what really from a land use standpoint, on the left-hand side is the existing 2040 plan where you can see about 40 acres of mixed-use area, which would include housing as well as um retail uses. What's being shown now is just really those uses spreading and and uh wrapping the acquisition from New Life Academy. So, no net increase in the amount of mixed use is proposed, but um would accommodate that expansion. New Life Academy's current campus is located directly to the east. The other recommendation that will um not occur with the project approvals, but instead will be looked at as part of the work done by our uh task force for the 2050 comprehensive plan is evaluating and ultimately recommending the final uh movement from places to work to low-density residential along the northern portion of the project area. Um as you can as I alluded to earlier, there's also the regional ponding. You'll also see Century Avenue uh is shown currently to connect to the north in through Maplewood and Ramsey County through that area. Our existing 2040 comprehensive plan does identify the extension of Century Avenue. This will be an area that will also be reviewed as part of the 2050 plan on whether that connection continues to occur. It is shown within the master plan, but we do anticipate further review of that connection as part of the 2050 plan. And with that, staff recommends the Planning Commission recommend the City Council adopt the Bailey West Master Plan. It is important to note a neighborhood meeting was held on two separate occasions. The first was last fall, which was actually put on by the city of Newport because of the surrounding development, but those in close proximity from Woodbury were invited to that. That was last fall. And the project from a Woodbury standpoint had a neighborhood meeting on May 11th with approximately 40 attendees. There were general questions regarding the timing of the development, the details of the Greenway corridor, preservation of existing uh vegetation, uh questions on what type of retail uses, the anticipated type of residential development. Certainly also some discussion about that extension of Century Avenue was also heard at that May 11th meeting. And again, with that, staff recommends the planning commission adopt the master plan. >> Thank you, Eric. Um I do have two yellow sheets. Um so I want to invite those folks to come up and uh speak or ask your question. Uh first is Janelle. Come on up to the podium. Please if you just state your name and uh your city and state that you live in, that'd be great. >> Hi. Can you hear me okay? Yes. Hi, I'm Janelle Erickson. I live on Century Avenue South. Um I pay taxes in both uh Maplewood and Woodbury and grew up there. I bought the house that I grew up in. So, I've been on Century Avenue for a very, very long time. And recently found out about all of this. So, here I am. Um I am asking the commission to continue to explore alternatives to extending Century Avenue South. I'm sure all of you have enjoyed Carver Lake Park or if not, I hope you have. And know that that is a very windy, small farm road that was really never intended to be kind of a main thoroughfare. Um it's already very challenging for pedestrians and cyclists. Um there's very little separation between the road and the lake properties, driveways, etc. Not a lot of room for a sidewalk and in fact, sometimes only 1 ft. A lot of blind curves, a lot of low visibility, a lot of cars and ditches, especially in the winter. Um I just want to share something that happened literally yesterday. It was a beautiful day. There were a lot of people going up to the park to use it. Um I was outside working in my yard and three maybe 12-year-old boys rode by on their bicycles. And as they were going up the road on one of those very narrow paths, um a huge truck came flying down Century Avenue, that big hill from the park, speeding as many people do, literally ran one of them off the road, one of the kids. He It was so close to hitting them. One of the kids fell off his bike, tumbled down a very steep ditch into my neighbor's yard. The The truck swerved and just kept going. I tried to get a license plate number. I I couldn't get it. It was so scary. Um thankfully there was only um some scrapes, but it was very scary. And literally 10 minutes before that, there was another family biking along the same path with the two little girls. And if I don't know if it would have had the same outcome. So, anyway, it This is all happening before any of the traffic considerations are happening. I see that it's a dotted line coming from Century Avenue where Carver Avenue is and that Eric, you said that still um you're still looking at that as you're developing your new plan. Please, for the sake of the people, like so many cyclists go up there, so many people fishermen walk up there, they they they park and cross the street there to go and fish. Please consider not extending that just for the safety of everyone both that live there and also use the park. Um Yeah, I think that's it. Thank you for your time and consideration and thanks for allowing public comment and keep using that beautiful park where I worked in high school. I canoed to work. It was great. Um Yeah, thank you. >> Thank you for sharing your thoughts. Um also uh Johnny. Again, if you could just state your name and city and state for the record, that'd be great. >> Yes. Uh Johnny Demay. I live at uh 1211 Century Avenue South, and that's in Maplewood. Uh I just want to reiterate some of the things that Janelle said. Um I guess start out with a little backstory, too. Uh so we actually purchased our home in the height of COVID and made the offer from across country without seeing the house. Looked on a map and our house is directly between two parks. And we thought this is like no matter what is going on with the house, perfect property. We're super excited about it. And what we've learned in the four years of living there is that we've never felt so far away from a park just because there's no safe way to access the park. I know that we're Maplewood, you know, Ramsey County. You guys are Woodbury here, but um we just we have, you know, significant concerns about continuing the road through. So uh yeah. You know, ultimately we love the paths in Woodbury. We go biking through Woodbury all time. You guys do a really awesome job. Um you know, we've talked with Maplewood and Ramsey County about, you know, what they plan on doing. You know, if you guys do continue this through, and it's been a little wishy-washy. I know that you guys meet with them, and I appreciate that. I think our biggest thing is we want to make sure that you guys continue working with our city and make sure that, you know, it's done safely. So um you know, we we see in the plan, you know, there's businesses. I know these are separate topics you could get into, but you know, we see that there's business parks. You know, we have concern of, you know, trucks going down our street. Um you know, any increase in traffic we don't really feel comfortable with. >> [snorts] >> And you know, between two parks we got the wildlife. Um and we have power lines, so it really makes a narrow area to be able to fit you know, the road and pedestrian path through. So, I know Janelle mentioned um you know, we have tight turns and hills, varying uh speed limits. And you know who likes, you know, those varying conditions is race cars and motorcycles. And every year we're finding vehicles in the ditches. Um in the winter every year there's been abandoned vehicles just because it's a valley and there's no way to get out of it when the road is icy. I think the grade is like a 12 grade. It's pretty steep. Um and then specifically there was a neighbor that did get hit and nearly killed when he was getting his mailbox just because it's such blind corners. Um as you can see I have daughter and we did go walking once uh into Cover Lake Park. And there were two cars that raced in both lanes of traffic. And came right at us in a corner. And we had to throw this you know, with her in it, we had to jump into the the shoulder, you know, off of the road to be able to prevent us from getting hit. And it's just it it's just too many of those and we want to make sure there isn't any more. And certainly we want to make sure that there's less. So, you know, in closing, um we really want to make sure that you guys are working with, you know, all the municipalities and, you know, continue seeking this this feedback. We really appreciate it. Um you know, just happy to chat with any you guys. I know Eric, we've we've chatted with you, too, and you've been very open and we appreciate that, so. Thank you all for opportunity to comment. >> Thank you, Johnny. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. Um I'm sure this will come up with the other commissioners, so just I know there was a specific question there, but Eric, can you just maybe for the in light of the comments, just talk a little bit more about like the specific process that we would go through to evaluate the improvements for Century Avenue. I know in the packet it talks about some of the extensions and and sidewalks and trails and some of that infrastructure would build up around that, but what does that process look like for citizens? >> Yeah, I think um this this graphic shows kind of the timing when it becomes more ripe. The phase one as I alluded to for Century Avenue and whether that is a county road or a city road is going to generally for phase one be built to this location. The connection point would be as part of what's determined as a later phase and the master plan contemplates that that would be reviewed uh not only the land use, but also the transportation needs through the 2050 comprehensive plan lands, which would mean sometime in late 2028 that would be the um in the 27 and 2028, there would be opportunities for further discussion and review of the needs for those roadways. As part of that, we would work and continue to work as the speaker uh commented on, we have been having regular dialogues with the city of Newport and the city of Maple Wood as part of the development of this area. Um we in fact we meet weekly with those teams and and have for several months and we'll continue to do so as more information is known about the need for those roadways and those will be studied as part of the updating of our transportation chapters within the 2050 plan. And so there as we are making any recommendations or finalizing there would be a public engagement process that would be open to residents within the corridor and we would actively pursue their feedback. >> Right. Okay. Um going to go ahead and open it up to other commissioners for questions that you might have and we're going to start with Commissioner Guzik. >> Thank you, Chair. Um First question is for staff. A little bit of my own ignorance, I guess, but with this master plan, if you could help explain what you know, obviously we have the land use and we have the zoning. What kind of things are enforceable per se or what can we expect if this were to be approved? Like how stuck are you within this framework? >> Master plans are a a guiding document. So they certainly do establish policy direction. Um they do they are adopted by resolution by the city council and any project that is requesting a PUD through the city must be consistent with the that master plan. Um we are um certainly working with the market as we create these plans, but there will be modifications um just as was seen on the previous master plans that as the users come in there will be specific needs that will then be evaluated against this. But the idea is these master plans set a a tone and they set kind of the guidelines, if you will, to work under. In this case, and every master plan is a little different, some of the things that were really important were shown on those previous slides, things about how do we connect to Carver Park, how do we look at some of There's a a fair amount of land use diversity here. So, how do we make sure that aesthetically that that all comes together? Um the integration of the sports area facilities and the layering and the the multi-family around that area was another nuanced and and unique part of this master planning effort. But, overall, as you can see, for instance, this commercial area, there is some level of patterning that you're going to that you're seeing here. That is not regulatory. They're likely will look much different as part of that, but the important part that the master plan looks to do is identify that there will be pedestrian connectivity through that commercial area. It will connect to Century. It'll connect to Bailey Road as part of those future development areas, and the uses overall are intended to be retail, for instance. >> That's helpful. Thank you. Um I guess knowing knowing that, um I did have a couple comments which on the commercial area, for example, um I know I guess when one of in part of the plan on page 24 of the master plan, it says uh parking lots with street frontage should be minimized. Uh where they occur, landscaping and other screening devices are encouraged. Um cuz I felt like the commercial area was had parking lots fronting that street instead of um I was thinking [clears throat] more like with that statement looking more like Woodbury Lakes area instead of kind of all in their own parking lot island kind of thing. >> Yeah, so I think one of the things that this plan identifies is kind of a double loaded commercial frontage and really you're not you're seeing that orientation. I think the direction of the master plan is where feasible you would bring some of these Bailey Road buildings to be much more pre present along the roadway and try to shield some of those parking areas by those building design areas. Um we also want to put our best architectural foot forward on some of these projects. So again, until we know the final user, are they backs of buildings or they sides of buildings, uh we want to make sure that we're being mindful of of that as well as part of the ultimate architectural design. >> Um Another question I had was what do we know about the Newports um plan there and what what's being planned? >> So the it's our understanding that um the area that I'm circling here is a light industrial building that the area to the south of the area and this is likely the one of the first projects is a QuickTrip gas station. So that's on the west side of Century Avenue. Further to the west is a higher density affordable project uh that my our understanding the developer of that is Real Estate Equities. They're the same developer that is doing one of our affordable projects in the northeast area to the east of Settlers Ridge and south of Hudson Road, the Karen Drive apartments. So same user there and then back to some light industrial. >> Thank you. >> We have been working with the city of Newport to implement again some architectural continuity even within their city. So it's not obviously covered under our master plan because we don't have any jurisdiction there, but we have been working with with their team to to at the end of the day when we when this development occurs over the next, you know, several years, hopefully there's continuity whether it's a project in Newport or Woodbury. So, we've been working closely with them. >> Um and then with um Century Avenue extension, um I know it's for showing a 120-ft right-of-way and then there's a typical section here. I guess how set in stone is that? I know there was the extension study done. Um and based on that, I I also read that they're following the Washington County's comp plan and what the recommended right-of-way was. Um but also in Washington County's comp plan, it said if it was more of an urban section, it could be a 100-ft right-of-way. I was wondering how set in stone that is. >> Yeah, we we right now are being fairly conservative on the right-of-way and it has not had project impacts. The reason for that is to ensure that if ultimately this connects to the existing Century Avenue that that becomes a county roadway versus a city of Woodbury maintained and owned roadway. So, we are we're being very deliberate to meeting all of the Washington County design standards including right-of-way widths, access management distances. They've been very involved in the design aspects for instance at the intersection of the future Century and Bailey Road to ensure that those meet all county standards as well. Whether or not that will ultimately come to fruition will be seen in the future, but we didn't want to have a design um challenge be the reason that it ultimately ended up being a city versus county road. >> Yeah. If possible, I would like to see boulevard trees along Century Avenue between the trail and the roadway and not just the double row on the outside. If I don't know if that's a county clear comp plan. >> that is a county standard. But, as we get more information and if ultimately there is a determination that it's not ultimately a county function, then the city requirements do allow plantings within the right-of-way. >> Okay. Um and the only thing I had I really like the the greenway and the trails. There's a lot of sidewalks, which is good. [clears throat] Um the only thing is I I did notice we had a couple like on sheet 11 where it says private drive no sidewalk or trail. Um as my recommendation would would be to have anywhere there's a private drive to have a sidewalk or trail so that that is more walkable. I think you're doing a great job of of some recreational trails and stuff, but making it more connected and and walkable as a place you want to stroll. You know, you could come to that commercial area and go to one spot and then walk to the next instead of hopping in your car and parking in a new spot would be a a something I would like to see. >> Yeah, I think one of the areas that, you know, we will be looking at closer and I'm I'm guessing Commissioner you're looking at in the commercial area. >> Mhm. >> Um you know, one of the things that we're when where we do so show that sidewalk is kind of north-south and and again as alluded to there will also be connection back to Bailey. That's a little incomplete right now. So, the thought was to have a north-south movement versus this is a fairly active anticipated to be a fairly active vehicle movement that we wanted to protect people from being in conflict with. That's why we did not layer uh east-west pedestrian movement through here versus just kind of forcing the north-south in the spines on the north and this road and Bailey Road would provide that east-west movement um for users ultimately. The secondary road um some of these areas here and ultimately through this site um we do anticipate that there will be some level of trails through the New Life as that gets formalized, but it is private property and not public, so we didn't want to um unnecessarily have public moving through these spaces. We wanted it to be more deliberate movements along Century and then internal to the to the apartment sites. Those were the balance points that we were trying to look at. >> Um and you might not know the answer to this. Because it is one owner right now besides the New Life parcel, is it anticipated that the like commercial area and the that whole mixed-use area, so the commercial, high density, and medium density, is that possible that it would be all under one developer, or would it get split up? >> It's anticipated it'll be multiple developers, multiple projects. Really each of the individual projects will probably be their own would be my expectation, so commercial would be likely an overall commercial developer, retail developer, high density on its own, and then this would be a separate medium density would likely be a separate unless a significantly larger player came in that's not currently in discussions. >> Okay, and one last comment would be on the pedestrian crossings at intersections on page 13. Um I do think within the City of Woodbury's safe safe systems approach plan, I don't know if we've adopted I don't think we've ever adopted complete streets per se, but I think it would be prudent to have more curve extensions or bump outs or pedestrian refuge islands, potentially raised crosswalks on the city owned streets could make that more pedestrian friendly. >> We will certainly take a look at that as part of the movement from the draft plan to the final plan. >> Right. Thank you. No further questions. >> Thank you. Um Commissioner Kennedy, you're up next. >> Thank you, chair. Um Eric, the quick question about the Newport section. The quick trip, is that the what what there was such passionate discussion in the fall in the Newport commit Okay. >> It was. There's a There's a lot of excitement within the community for that project. >> Yeah. And um the only concern was for the the traffic, I think, um especially of trucks and such uh delivering things. Yeah, they I know they worked that out among themselves. >> Correct. >> And so that would be, I think, as long as that's settled and that's across from or attached to the commercial section that we're proposing. >> That's correct. >> Okay. All right. And then uh quick question about the New Life um section of this now, which is really driving the train, I think, is on this whole revamp for the master plan, which makes good sense because it's connected to the New Life Academy right now. Um the parking. Um is there because the sports fields are so um like an accordion with the parking and the traffic, etc. I'm sure you've thought of this. I'm sure it'll get shaken out when that happens, but where is the parking in that particular structure, do you know? >> Yeah, there is a number of different parking locations that are identified for the New Life uh >> [clears throat] >> site. Some to the south, some to the west, and then uh closer to these field areas. So there's multiple different areas and that is a best practice as you look, unfortunately, and we've certainly learned this at the sports center. Um people will park in close proximity to the field in which they're going to be at. So really taking that to heart and trying to create nodes in close proximity versus a large multi-purpose field where people will be reluctant, especially I mean this is a 30-acre piece of property, so there is a pretty significant walk distance. >> Mhm. In a perfect world, there'd be probably more utilization of the existing parking at the church and academy site, but in reality, that's just not what we see. >> Especially since it butts up into the high-density residential and the commercial, so I guess they'll they'll work it out. At that point in time. Okay. And then the landscaping, I was pleased to see so much green focus on that and I appreciate your focus Commissioner Guzick on that. As many trees, etc. We don't want to be a concrete jungle and I think the focus especially is the focus. As you were looking at this with the residential which has it's more opportunity than a commercial area to provide that. And then of course, I mean the sports academy has has the fields. Not necessarily trees and bushes and things, but >> Yeah, I think that's a a very fair summary and I think what's what's not and it's purposely not a part of the master plan is some of the internal landscaping that will be present. The master plan's really looking at the outside edge as part of whether it's the residential use or the commercial use. There'll be in there'll be increased landscaping internal to those sites as well. >> And that's a that's a developer by developer contribution >> That's right. >> Okay. Focusing on the transmission line there. I know when that was mixed use there's a strong feeling sometimes in the residential areas about that. It cuts it it's got a park area there in the upper corner which was which I think is good. No one wants to live right underneath that. And it's a low-density residential there which means there'll be more space and and such around homes and and those kinds of buildings. Any thoughts from the neighborhood meetings on that? >> Uh, no no significant feedback received from the transmission line aspect. I think a positive feedback regarding utilization of that for trail connectivity and some of those comments. Um, you know, what we've experienced, um, when we moved into the area south of Bailey Road in our start of phase two, the areas Ashton Ridge, Bailey Lake subdivisions, there's large power lines that run through that portion and we were concerned that that would have a significant market impact, um, for the development of those areas and that that concern did not come to fruition. The market uh, saw not every buyer, certainly some buyers were not, but many buyers saw it as open space, significant open space in the rear of their property. So, there is a fair amount of power line corridors within southern Woodbury and it to date it has not been a significant impact to the developability of properties from a market acceptance standpoint. >> Good. I guess it all depends on where you're sitting. Um, and then the trail between New Life and something I wrote I can't read. Um, but, um, I think the sports, um, fields and and the academy. Uh, it looks like that's one property. I'm sure they have they all have movement there. There's no uh, no street they really have to cross there. Is there or is that all? >> Really more of the other side's driveway connection between these two uses, so this private drive will extend through into the existing parking lot within that area, but there will also be some connection that's going to ultimately occur between the two campuses. >> Okay, that's what I wondered, especially with the wetlands in that new area there. Um, [clears throat] and that's all I have. Thank you, chair. >> Thank you. Uh, Commissioner Swanson. >> Thank you. My first question is about Century Avenue. Are there improvement plans for north of this project going through the county section at all? >> There are not any improvements plans that are currently identified by either Ramsey, Washington, or the municipalities. >> That's disappointing. Uh >> [clears throat] >> For the proposed extension, would the county or the city be in charge of the tree species selection? >> Tree species selection along Century? >> Yeah, on the extension through the master plan. Would it follow the 10 trees that are listed in here? >> Yeah. >> Or okay. >> Yeah, because they would be planted as part of the development area more than the the roadway network. >> Okay. My question about the trees There are 10 tree species proposed, one of which is an evergreen. >> I'm sorry, one of which is >> One only one of which is an evergreen. The I'm sure I'm not pronouncing this right. Thuja Green Giant is the only evergreen out of these 10 options. And so I was curious if on the Century Avenue plan where it says species A, species B, species C, if we could guarantee that one of those would be the evergreen so that when winter comes, there's at least some trees that have leaves on them still and it's not just barren. >> Yeah, I think we could certainly uh update some language within the final plan to include you know, an assurance that there's an evergreen presence. >> And then you know I'm going to talk about the color palette. At this point, I'm just wondering if you're trying to hurt my feelings. >> [laughter] >> We've got brown and cream and white and I am just concerned about seeing master plan after master plan where we could end up with a series of white, black, beige glass boxes over and over again. And I'd love if we could include red brick in the palette. So, there's a tri-color of opportunities there. And it's not I I just I really want to be clear. I don't want a hot air balloon filled with Barbie pink paint and glitter. I do not want that. I just want to make sure It could be cool, but I just don't want us to just have the same white, black, beige glass boxes over and over again that could be in Woodbury, in Minnesota, or could be in Arizona, or could be in Florida. Just over and over again. And I really appreciate that I'm seeing some gables, so we may not get all boxes. But, it'd be really great to have opportunities for some standout and some more contrast instead of neutral on neutral on neutral. So, I would appreciate the inclusion of red brick as well. >> I think we can likely amend that section fairly easily to increase on page 28. >> And I think it would go wonderfully. Look at this uh third column. Wait, am I doing that right? Third column, second row from the top. Red brick with that dark trim sure looks pretty. >> [snorts] >> Yeah, and I think you know, the master plan does support fairly I would argue that this is a redder on this graphic that hopefully and so I think [snorts] the intent is to break up the boxes. I think that's one of as I look at these graphics, that's and I'm glad you picked up on it. You know, utilization of awnings and gables and breaking up the box elements that comes with today's develop designs from a multi-family standpoint, really breaking up those elevations um with uh balconies and and different pitch roofs. So, that those are some of the design intents, but I think we can layer in some additional brick colors. Um we can also uh give some language if the commission is interested in in some level of focal point, whether that's through material color. >> I appreciate that. And then it's funny that Marsha mentioned parking for the school because my concern about parking was actually for the high-density residential. Um and they're right next to each other. So, great minds think alike. >> [snorts] >> Do you imagine that that's going to be a subterranean garage for the residents? >> Yes. >> Okay. I think that's going to alleviate some of that, but you're going to end up with guest parking in that commercial area or in the New Life area if the guests of those residents have access to it. >> Yeah. I I I I think if we're we'll have to be careful cuz you're right, there will be spillover opportunities if the parking ratios are too tight. >> But I think that this was incredibly well thought out and I really appreciated all the references to the Bailey Orchards throughout the project and these kinds of projects take so much work and I I think it's really nice. Thank you. I'm done. >> Thank you. Um Commissioner Shaw, you're up next. >> Thank you, Chair. Um lot of questions I had were already asked. Uh I do have few more. Um one is uh it's back to the Century Avenue. Uh Uh, just so I'm clear on it, what I heard is that the the part of Century Avenue, uh, that actually goes uh, go back to No, go to that red circle around the low density that kind of shows like the 20 Okay. So, so basically up till um, that mark that you actually pointed to, which is near the regional pond of future, uh, the Century Avenue would actually be extended as part of phase one. Is is is that correct? >> It's about right here. Yep. >> Okay. And and so that would be done by obviously City of Woodbury, correct? Okay. Um, because that's necessary just to actually support what you are showing as the phase one plan. Correct? Okay. Um, and then eventually, you know, like one of your first bullets, um, actually says it'll be designed to the Washington County standard so that eventually it could become a county road. Uh, if it gets extended to the current Century Avenue, correct? >> That is correct. >> Okay. Um, and then, uh, so thanks for that one. And then, uh, at the intersection of Century Avenue phase one and Bailey, uh, there is a signal light, correct? >> It is anticipated that will be a controlled intersection. It has not been finalized that it'll be a signal. It it it is unlikely that it's going at this point, um, that it'd be a roundabout, but that decision has not been official. >> roundabout or a signal control, okay. Yeah, because that could be a very busy intersection. Uh, >> It's anticipated that that would be a >> Century Avenue is Sorry, Bailey is already getting busy enough. Uh, okay. Thank you. And um, the architectural themes we already talked about it and red brick got introduced which I'm actually glad about. Um, but since the part of this, uh, you know, master plan is like also Newport and maybe even Maplewood, right? Um, and you actually, I think, touched on it but not very clearly is that the architectural themes would be essentially adopted across all three cities? >> That is what has been communicated to us by, uh, Newport staff is that as part of their development reviews they're going to be using our the the palette, the approved palette. And so some of the brick components that you're seeing are [clears throat] um, consistent, for instance, with a traditional darker, some would say it's reddish, brick from a QuickTrip type use that that's being brought in on this this palette because again, we want architectural continuity whether you're in Woodbury or Newport. >> Yeah. Yeah, that that's what because it's going to develop over time, right? So it's not happening all at once and so it'd be important to actually coordinate across the cities. I mean, the challenge here is it's across cities, not just one city, right? All right, thank you. And then um, I kind of had a question may probably for my knowledge uh, and then anything else but you know, you are actually suggesting or recommending here two different things. One is modifications to the 2040 comprehensive plan to support the New Life Academy, right? Extension. The sports field, so on and so forth. But then you're also talking about the the future low density um, would be post adoption of 2050 plan, right? So kind of one of my questions uh, was could the this New Life uh, uh, you know, modification to the 2040, can it actually be part of 2050 or does it actually have to be done ahead of time? >> The The ask is part of the master plan and the ask from New Life Academy is to have that occur in 2026. >> Okay, because because they need to start developing that place. >> They They would like to begin fundraising. They would like to begin acquisition of the property. So, ensuring that the land use is appropriate is important. We viewed it from the city standpoint differently than the area to the north. There's a couple of reasons why we recommend the area to the north. One is what we've talked about quite a bit about future opportunity to look through the comprehensive planning lens of Old Century Avenue. Number two is really would like to see some of the activity begin in the commercial and higher density areas in advance of the low density starting. So, really in a from a strategy standpoint, we would like the area to the south to develop so that those future buyers of the lower density property can can know what those adjoining uses are. >> Because the 2050 comprehensive plan is not going to be done till 2028, right? So, so you're saying we don't have two more years to actually wait for some of the phase one of this. >> That's correct. >> All right. Great. Last small comment. I think you brought up the pedestrian crossing already and went to page 13, I think, in your uh, 1117 sheets. Uh, that my preference as always before is to consider using flashing pedestrian crossing, you know, because it's going to be quite well utilized pedestrian crossing areas based on the density of people in this area. >> We will, uh, certainly bring that up to our, uh, engineering staff members, our transportation planners, and and bring that perspective on the flashing beacons as well as the modifications to the actual pedestrian intersections for those crossings. >> All right. Thank you very much, yeah. That's all I have. >> Thank you. Commissioner Seabrooks. >> Thank you, Chair. Um I really only have a couple of questions. Um and they're really just expanding on items already discussed. Um so this might be just a matter of orienting me a little bit, but I do share the concerns about the uptick in traffic on Bailey specifically um in the morning, right? Um when New Life is in the session and a little bit before 8:00 and everyone's getting to work going down Bailey and um I mean we're getting traffic from a lot of different new development in that area. Um and there is certainly uh I believe it's Bailey Road and Lydia >> Correct. >> Lane that is awfully dangerous. Um it's especially if you're taking a left coming from New Life or even a right to get to work or wherever you have to go. And so I'm hoping you can kind of orient me. I know in on page 12 there is a a symbol for a controlled intersection, but I'm kind of wondering how the city is thinking about that and planning accordingly. >> Yeah, currently New Life Academy has a condition that requires an alternate access before any future expansion because of the experiences that it that you're seeing. So one of the driving factors of the acquisition of the 30 acres not only to give them opportunities to add athletic, but it provides that critical connection point. So from their parking area there will be an alternate connection back through the private drive and I'll move in a second back to the site plan, but I'll draw it kind of through this area and then back down to Century, which again is anticipated to be a signalized intersection. So that we anticipate so you can kind of see it right through here on how that drives back into the New Life Academy site. You run back through this is a private drive back to Century Avenue. So, that will give an alternate way in and out to be able to distribute the traffic, which should have a significant impact on the volumes that we're seeing on Lydia. >> Okay. So, then that intersection will be I mean cuz that's a controlled intersection currently. So, that will just be updated >> Right. >> to because obviously there's now been an uptick in traffic going down Military Road um to connect to Bailey. >> Correct. >> Okay. Um and then next one is kind of a easy question, but I'm kind of curious just on timeline to phase one. >> It's in uh pending uh city approvals, the developer and the property owner would like to begin construction in the late summer, early fall. So, August, September time frame. Probably August is really what they're shooting for. >> Great. Thank you. No further questions. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Um Commissioner Parnell. >> Yes, I just have a question regarding like the New Life area. Um I was wondering how the plan will accommodate like any future growth of the church and the school. >> New Life Academy, like many of our uh faith-based organizations and school properties have spent a significant amount of resources over the last several decades studying and restudying the their needs for a growth standpoint. And so, the application that's in for the city right now to look at both expansions at their existing facility, kind of their built area, as well as future opportunities at their um uh on the sports field side have been informed by some of those long-term needs. Um at this time, it's not known the exact timeline for some of those, but there are certainly significant improvements both academically within the existing campus that are anticipated that would be in front of the planning commission and council in the future. As labeled on the screen, the acquisition area is really focused more on that athletic side. >> Yeah, thank you. >> Okay. Thank you. Uh Commissioner Halole. >> Thank you, Chair. Um I do have a question about the Greenway. Um ensuring pedestrian safety, will the existing trails be connected to the Greenway or um the Carver Lake Park? Yeah, that's >> Yeah, there is anticipation for connection and connectivity to the existing trail network within some of these brown areas or some of the off-road trail cycling trail area, but the more yellowish are some of those connections back into Carver Lake and then also look at opportunities to connect and enhance as these Greenway corridors come to fruition to provide better access into Carver Lake Park. >> And also, how will the Greenway complement Carver Lake Park especially with architecture and the preservation of trees? >> Yeah, the the area along the southern portion of Carver Lake Park is really not an overly treed area, so there will be basically what that Greenway corridor will provide is some buffer between the existing park area and the future development area, but it'll also be dual purpose by providing a trail within that location. So, it will uh enhance from a buffering standpoint the existing park area. >> And one last question I have about the business park, what type of businesses will be envisioned around that commercial area? >> In the business park area in this business this building here, we would anticipate similar growth patterns that we've seen in the northeast business park area. Um, we have a couple of different buildings that are of similar scale to this. Um, it sets itself up to be either could be a large single user building or more than likely would be a multi-tenant. So, there'd be three or four or more uh, clients or um, tenants within these buildings that would split that building up. But, very similar to the development patterns that we've seen in the northeast business park area is what we anticipate. >> I have no further questions. >> Okay, thank you. Any questions? Um, let me see. I have a few questions here. I wanted to go back to Commissioner Swanson's conversation about trees and the tree selection. I've just uh, I'm curious in terms of if we've studied how our current tree selections are performing throughout the city. Just as an example, I was driving on Pioneer Drive today and it looks like two or three of those trees have already been replaced and that work was just done a year or so ago. So, is there any is there any uh, work being done so that you know, these plantings that we are making are going to be able to withstand the conditions a little bit better than maybe what we're seeing right now or maybe what we've seen in some recent projects? >> You know, we have spent a significant amount of time over the last several years meeting with multi-divisional groups between engineering, public works, and uh, and uh, community development to address trees in the community. And one of the main areas of that discussion is exactly what you just pointed out, the survivability of certain types of species within kind of the built environment within right-of-way corridors as part of development within commercial areas and making sure that we're setting up the tree selections with success. Um we coming out of that, there will be modifications to our existing we have an approved tree list that currently governs the both right-of-way creation where plantings along city roadways or county roadways as well as >> [gasps] >> um the plantings that ultimately go into our commercial and residential developments. One of the biggest challenges that we're also tackling is some of the installation practices. So, it's actually not the tree itself, it's actually the installation especially on commercial projects that has been a significant um challenge that we are um tackling head-on. >> Okay. Thank you for that commentary. Um a parks question um maybe a clarifying question. The proposed low-density residential area would they be based on the size of that, I understand it's not finalized yet, but based on the size of that, would they be required to do a park dedication or would they not be required to because of the proximity to Carver Lake Park? >> I think I think that's something that's going to be looked at again as part of that 2050 plan and one of the reasons why staff is recommending to move that decision forward without knowing the type of product that is being provided within that area, it is harder to identify the future park needs. If they need to have what I'll call kind of a local park, um a park that's Regional parks are are fantastic for many, many reasons, but and maybe the residents who live in close proximity can attest to this. Um it doesn't provide sometimes the day-to-day park needs. You know, when you're heading there for 15 minutes, 20 minutes, 25 minutes, a tot lot, things of that nature that regularly are seen within a residential neighborhood. So, I think the the strategy that the master plan identifies is as part of the future development post the 2050 comprehensive plan process and evaluation on whether a a neighborhood park is needed as part of that development area. >> It I think our standard today is if it's within 1 mile >> It's a >> walking distance >> It's a half mile. >> Half mile. >> Half mile spacing. >> I didn't know what that I tried to get my little Google Earth thing to figure out but I wasn't sure where that park starts and where it ends and to make that determination. So, okay. I think that makes sense to have like something that's residentially oriented park in that area and then obviously if it could be accessible to all the residents there. Um question about the retail commercial portion of the development in phase one. How are we Is that Is that going to be graded level with Bailey Road? Do we think is there going to be Is that going to be graded up in terms of just thinking about the uh the screening and the uh the car parking and car movements in there, how that's going to be graded or if it's going to be level to the Bailey Road. >> It will be higher than Bailey Road as part of the overall grading of the site. There's a lot of earthwork that's necessary to develop the overall 165 170 acres of of grading activity that will happen early on in this project. Um Generally, the grades coming that you see today will be significantly altered from what you see today as part of that master grading exercise. >> Okay. So, there'll be some grade change there and then between that and the screening we'll be able to cover headlights and some of those movements that could be distracting out on Bailey. >> And when those areas that were not as you move, the grades do settle a little on that which is not unusual, we'll likely use some plantings in those areas as more information is known. >> Um just a clarifying question on something Commissioner Swanson talked about um in the packet on page 18 and 19 that talks about screening. So, Commissioner mentioned about having evergreen on the Century Avenue portion. But as I look at the screening guidelines, Century Avenue is allocated for There are I would just try and understand there's high opacity versus medium opacity. Um and I guess my question was is would evergreens even be permitted on that Century Avenue corridor given I believe those would fall into more of a high opacity designation. >> Yeah, I think I think the lens I would encourage the commission to look look at this through is that continuity. So, you want to bring in some level of evergreens even in the streetscape model. Um bringing in some of those areas within a whether it's the business park area or the high density residential, you're going to have areas where you're going to want to screen a little bit. So, the idea is to bring some of those materials and some of those landscaping choices into the pallet so that as more information is known on are there areas that you want to slightly screen, we can bring those in and it meets the overall cohesion of the development. >> Um Last question I have was in the last master plan that we looked at, we talked about medium density, some of the challenges with that townhome product. We talked about 45 foot lot frontages not to bring that whole conversation back. But, would that 45-ft lot concept potentially be deployed in this master plan as part of the options for a medium-density residential developer? >> There would need to be a specific approval by the recommended by the planning commission, ultimately adopted by the council. That would be viewed from a staff standpoint as a change to the master plan. The idea here is that the master plan is going to deliver more of a townhome function versus a small lot single family. So, the flexibility is not built in on that front. >> Is that because we don't think that product is a the best fit for this particular master plan or we think that perhaps that transitions into a low-density part of the part of the low-density product if there's more of a need there? >> That's right. I If If we were to have a smaller lot, we would look at that as part of that lower density area to the north. The medium density is still intended to be in that 10 units per acre or more density range. So, very much a townhome product. We want to provide the residents in this location to be able to create the walkable environment and that kind of energy towards the commercial area. So, a little bit more density both in the high-density residential, more in the apartment format. And then as you move north and closer to the existing development area, and we did receive feedback throughout the process about wanting a little bit more of a townhome feel in this location versus additional uh apartments. So, the master plan did acknowledge that ask. >> So, we could see a scenario where we flow from to the north from high-density to medium-density to potentially 45 or 50 lot foot lots to our more of our standard 55 and 65 foot lots. >> That's a very real possibility from a kind of the order of of movement. >> Okay. And would we mark that up in pause part of the 2050 comp plan process to identify that for future developers then? >> Uh >> Or leave it more open? >> I think we would probably leave it more open and allow the plan unit development flexibility and as part of that conversation about park dedication and other needs. >> Okay. All right. Great. Okay. Are there any other follow questions from commissioners? I knew I'd crack that open, right? Go ahead. >> Commissioner Swanson. >> Um with the phase one, so you were saying ideally we would start from the south at Bailey, but there's already a developer ready to go for the low density residential. And so phase one is actually going to be in the north side? >> Phase phase one Phase one from our definition is the infrastructure. So phase one infrastructure will be sewer and water that comes from Carver Lake Park that comes to the south. That's just infrastructure. That's not development. That's no there's no verticality to that. The first projects from an overall development standpoint will either likely be the commercial area or the medium or high density. Um they're both are kind of taking a parallel path right now through our the city internal process. But really the from a development standpoint the first phase will be the business park, medium density, high density, and commercial will be the first phase of development. >> But as part of that Century Avenue is going to be extended from the north, not um from Bailey up. >> It'll be developed from Bailey up. >> It will be developed from Bailey up. >> Bailey up to the north. This section of road from this point to this point will not exist >> Okay. >> until the development of the low density >> Okay. >> occurs. >> Because what I was getting at is as things are going in might it spawn conversations with the county of what's going on with the traffic in this new section of Century Avenue versus if we're going to extend it in later phases of the project. I cuz I understand the the concerns of those residents. I don't know how to fix it though if there's absolutely no plan to fix Century Avenue. But if we're if we're developing from the south north, that could be a catalyst for conversations then. Potentially. >> As part of the as part of the 2050 plan, there will be jurisdictional conversations. Um the each of those entities, Washington County, Ramsey County uh Maplewood Newport and all have an opportunity to review and comment on our comprehensive plan, but we'll be more proactive than that. >> If we if we approve the plan with the extension in here at what point do you think for the extension from the business park to the current residential neighborhood would happen? >> I don't think it's any earlier than 2029 and I think that's moving as quickly as possible. So it's probably no sooner than yeah, no sooner than 2029. >> Okay. And at that point there would already be more conversations about 2040 plan, potentially even the 2050 plan. >> That's right. >> Okay. I hope that makes folks feel a little more comfortable about it because it wouldn't be an automatic thing happening right away. I hope it does. >> [snorts] >> Okay. Um Do you have anything else, Commissioner? >> Nope. >> Any other commissioners with file Commissioner Kennedy? >> Yes. >> Go ahead. >> Mr. Um and actually it's in the same as Commissioner Swanson's. I wanted to thank the people who came to speak tonight because it's very important, I think, to hear your point of view, but also factors into what we're thinking and and it almost sounds like there needs [clears throat] to be some focus on that immediately or soon, but um this plan development will scoop that up into into the the as we develop it. Um It's probably not, but is there any way we can consider now what's there and address that as we anticipate the development? Do you get where I'm going on that? Um looking at it now, making changes doesn't make sense if what we're going to do is change in the future. But as you say, it's not going to be until 2029. >> Yeah, I think you know, from a right now standpoint, we would have to amend the 2040 comprehensive plan to make a change cuz currently that connection is in our adopted 2040 plan. But what we know is is those conversations about updating the 2050 plan that are occurring. So it to from a staff standpoint, it made sense to utilize that project to evaluate, much like we're evaluating all of our transportation needs within the community, have that conversation because it aligned well because it's not anticipated to develop in advance of those conversations. So it does allow for that sequential decision-making. >> Okay. Yeah, cuz we don't want it to be dangerous for people to go get their mail. >> Right. >> You know. Good. Thank you. Thank you, Chair. >> Okay. Thank you. Okay. All right. Commissioner Shaw, go ahead. >> So I I actually have a question for the two folks who actually came and brought up the concerns about the Century Avenue, the north side of it. Uh since we already, as you heard the discussion, we're talking about Century Avenue from Bailey till the mark that Eric actually pointed out to. Um, do you does that actually bring any concerns for you because you're not yet coming close to the area that you were concerned about? But the fact is that the Century Avenue is going to get connected to to Bailey uh, just as in you know, with with essentially a dead end till the low density. >> What's that? >> Not connected, but it'll just go to a dead end. >> Yeah, correct. >> Yeah. >> Johnny Johnny might have more to say since he his daughter actually goes to New Life, but I will say, yeah, we were at the Newport meeting as well um, about when you're talking about the QuickTrip and the apartment building. There was a large Bailey Road neighborhood, which I'm sure you spoke since you've you've spoken with. Um, yeah, I also drive a lot on Bailey Road and and it is very crowded as well, but it also feels like there's more room for expansion with wise or like changes in that way versus the north part of Century Avenue, there's not unless all the houses are removed, which please don't do that. So, um so yeah, it it feels better to come at it from from somewhere other than Century Avenue South just because there's it's just it's steep drops on both sides. That's what I would say, but you know, I I also understand like the concern with the traffic along Bailey and New Life. >> Yeah, I'll add um, I think the m- main concern for our area would be we're all on well water, which is contaminated with PFAS. But just making sure any of the the businesses aren't contaminating our wells and I'm no scientist, but I do know, you know, gas station was a concern with Newport and they worked through it. I mean you guys have run off [snorts] drainage ponds and you guys work through that process too but that's you know to answer your question that was another factor for us. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. >> Thanks. >> Anything else? >> That's what I had. >> Nope, thank you. >> Any other commissioners? Okay. Um, do we have any questions online tonight? Do we have any other any other yellow sheets? Anybody else? I don't think so. Okay. Um, so with that discussion I think staff would be looking for the recommendation. >> I move to approve project number 19-2025-00603 with all of the planning commission comments as discussed to the were the last 70 minutes. >> [snorts] >> Do we have a second? >> I second. >> Okay. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> I. >> Any opposed? Okay. Um, the master plan review has been recommended for further consideration at the city council meeting on June 24th. Uh, where it will be formally reviewed and voted upon. Okay. Thank you very much. Okay. Next up, council report. >> Council member Stafford. >> Well, hello friends. >> Thank you for joining us. >> Uh, chair and commissioners, it's nice to be back. I always enjoy seeing you all. Um, right to tell you the last council meeting was primarily approving a consent agenda. We had a um, large public forum and then we went back to our workshop. So it wasn't it wasn't a huge council meeting like we normally have. At our workshop, we began the review of the 2031 capital improvement plan. Um the department heads presented reports to each of us at the workshop. The CIP is it's an appropriation. It's just it's not an appropriation, it's just a plan. So, they're all subject to changes and amendments all the way through. Uh we were presented with the street reconstruction maintenance including long-term funding and task force need assessment. The recommendation from the staff was that no new funding will be needed, which was good news to us. No policy changes, which is good news to us. And they're not recommending the need for a task force at this point in time. Apparently, historically, there was a situation where they felt the need. Um our June 24th workshop will include strategic plan scoping, so we're starting to work on a strategic plan. The solicitor fee follow-up discussion, we've we're having some discussions about our solicitors and if we should change our fee schedules. Um and then how that would be set up as far as is it by individual, is it by company, um what kind of a lead time, those type things. Just as button that up a little bit. And then we're considering alternatives to the chicken ordinance. Um and what we've got some really good plans and ideas and and we're we're working with them. After the lat the first survey that was done 2 years ago, pretty much overwhelmingly as the general public said, "Uh-uh." Well, this last survey, it was about 50/50. So, we need to listen to both sides. So, we're looking at some alternatives to the current ordinance. We have some upcoming events. Uh the July 4th celebration and fireworks is going to be big cuz it's the 200 Yeah, it's July, Marsha. Um 250th anniversary of our beloved country. Um it will be at Elm Hill Fairway Sports Center. People are going to have to pay attention to the traffic patterns going in and out of there, but it is going to be a very, very large event. Um fireworks will be bigger than they ever have been. And it's appropriate to celebrate. John, I know you won't be here. August 4th is the is night to night. I don't know if you participate in your neighborhoods or not. Um but the council is participating as we do ride-alongs with public safety with police, fire, so that [snorts] we're out and about in the community. So, yes, we're very busy with different things coming at us, but the uh capital improvement plan is our big one right now. >> Great. Thank you, Council member. Um last item on the agenda is review of the minutes of our last meeting, May 4th, 2026. Does anybody have any changes to the minutes? >> As always. I don't think there's been a single meeting where I haven't >> At least one. >> I don't think so. I don't think so. On page five, so affordable housing, passionate about it. Want to make sure all of my thoughts were very clear in the minutes. I've basically rewritten page five. I'm happy to give it to you. Um do you want me to go over it or do you just want me to give it to you? >> Um, what from the record stamp? What >> Okay. >> The option there's two options either you can go over it here and then the commission can vote or we could bring them back at the next meeting. We are planning on having a meeting here pretty quickly so we could amend them and then you could see them in context with the rest. It's really open. Why don't you review them? >> I'll read them. Okay, paragraph three, page five. It seems like it was um, two versions of the same thoughts so I combined them. Miss Swanson asked if there was a percentage of units at the proposed narrow lot widths with price capped houses. Mr. Serols said they capped from 45 to 50% and gave information on this decision and reasoning behind it, comma, including that the proposal would meet housing goals. So just condensed it all that. Um, paragraph five. Ooh, okay. Miss Swanson asked and I scratched out about the different scenarios one might take to bend the rules with this and so Miss Swanson asked how the city would prevent someone from bending the rules with the purchase price with the attainable housing agreement adding in a sentence. Uh, Mr. Serols clarified that the listed income caps were to guide in the monthly payment and list price but that the listed incomes were not a requirement of buyers. And then I scratched out the entire next sentence cuz I read it four times and just kept saying what does that say? Then adding in, he said the city sees the there aren't products of this sort and this is an attempt to bring a different type of product to the marketplace. Then on page seven. Paragraph seven. So it starts Miss Swanson gave her concerns about people taking advantage of this and whether the city thought about ways to prevent that. I want to add in she expressed concern that without requirements the homes would not go to first and second-time home buyers, but to investors looking to sell for a maximum profit. Um between paragraph eight and nine, I'd like to add one. Ms. Swanson gave an example of an affordable by design housing concept in another jurisdiction and expressed that without some kind of income or price restrictions housing products with a zoning incentive can work against affordability instead of helping solve the problem. That's it. >> [laughter and snorts] >> Okay. Eric, are you comfortable with that amendment of the record or would you like to go over it and have us revote on it at our next meeting? >> Yeah, I certainly have full trust in in Stephanie's memory on it. It's really a plan commissioner commission comfort more than a staff comfort. If you would like, you can certainly vote on it and if Yeah, we can we can spend a little time listening to the the numbers and if there's something different, but I don't anticipate that. >> Well, I will ask the commission if anybody wants to make a motion to approve the minutes as amended by Commissioner Swanson. >> I probably shouldn't. >> [laughter] >> I will move to approve the minutes as amended by Commissioner Swanson the planning commission meetings. >> And do we have a second? >> I second. >> Okay, let's vote then. All in favor of the adopting the minutes as amended say I. I. Any opposed? The minutes are adopted. And that concludes the meeting. You're adjourned. >> Mhm.