e e e e e e e e e e yeah good evening welcome welcome to the city woodb Woodberry city council meeting for today it is March 12th 2025 7:30 p.m. we are here in council chambers live it's good to see a lot of people here live for our meeting tonight thank you for coming um in addition this meeting is always broadcast virtually as well and that meeting uh you can if if you'd like to come into tonight you want to continue to attend these in the future um you can find the agenda online there's a little green button you push to watch the meeting live and you're in the meeting um we do take comments during the meeting I already have a couple of green sheets if you do want to speak tonight I do need a Green Sheet often times if you've been here before you found them on your chair but tonight they're just out in the in the hallway on the table so um just right outside so feel free to grab one of those if you do want to speak tonight um let's see what else was I going to say about this um I think that's it so we're calling the meeting to order um as is our normal tradition would you stand and join me in the Pledge of Allegiance I alance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all our assistant City administrator city clerk Ashley is here Ashley would you please do the roll call yesc here here hereon here may here we are all here tonight so so we are able to conduct tonight's business I also just want to point out that our attorney tonight is oh oh we did find his name okay we got a new name tag okay Eric Eric you were properly identified in the last moment I looked it wasn't there so okay so we got that squared away um uh first um thing on our agenda tonight is our special order of business we look forward to this every year Janelle Schmid is here to talk about our annual um our 2024 annual report for Community Development a lot of work goes into this um with staff and with our Economic Development commission always so pleased to uh get an update on this so uh please tell us more about it jel thank you mayor Bert members of the city council I am pleased to present the uh mayor and city council with the 2024 Community Development annual report as the mayor uh showed you she each of the council members has a copy of this printed in front of them um you'll find that the report is full of detailed information development Trends and a few Deep dive topics um that we want to highlight uh particular projects and accomplishments from the past the past year before I get into the details I do want to take a quick moment to acknowledge um our staff and in particular Jamie Fritz our housing and economic development coordinator who did uh put this report together both in terms of gathering the data um the design elements of the report itself the the text Etc and also want to acknowledge the economic development commission this is a work of theirs it's one of their uh key roles that they do so they started back in December identifying what those key uh deep dive topics would be and then they reviewed this at both their January and February meeting so the report does reflect their comments so with that um just a few minutes tonight I'm going through the things that are on the slides population household and demographics some standard Department activity reports that show sort of a 10-year Trend and the Deep dive discussions that we chose for 2024 are the affordable Workforce housing City place which is a 10-year look back Tiff 15 Redevelopment which is a 5-year look back and the Northeast business park so in terms of population households and demographic you can see our sort of steady um population growth currently we are just under 80,000 as a population with just under 30,000 occupied housing units U we also continue to change demographically over the years not just in terms of race which is shown on the uh screen but also our median age income educational attainment that data is also um provided in the report in terms of new residential construction we continue to be a desirable place for people to choose to live as a chart shows um we've had consistent growth year-over-year but lower in previous than previous years and this is primarily due to the fact that we haven't had any apartment buildings built the last two years and that's the yellow on the bar the chart also shows our um long-standing commitment to diversity in housing so you can see that mix of single family multif family attached or town homes and apartments so all in total for 2024 we had 452 new residential units which is right in line with what our uh 2040 comprehensive plan has anticipated for our average growth rate Jill may I just ask for this is really when permits are pulled like looking at the apartments so um oral oral Commons for example probably wasn't finished until 2024 when people moved in but this actually think it might have been 23 even but so that and that's probably a one and a half to twoyear project so it's based on the year that the building permit was from Earth pulled okay got it thank you so in terms of new commercial construction uh we had seven new commercial buildings in 2024 totaling 267,000 Square ft uh those projects are listed on the screen we had to golf four buildings at the Woodbury Storage condos the Washington County service center and the Woodbury Express Car Wash again this is when the permit was pulled they are not necessarily complete uh the new construction along with investment in our existing commercial really does provide the space for new businesses to come here that or want to grow here so it's really a great Economic Development strategy Woodbury um uh currently has over 26,000 just barely employees um we're one of only two cities in the East Metro that exceed that 20,000 Mark it's us and Maplewood and we also have um just under 1,00 business establishments in Woodbury the other thing I like to point out in this report is right now after this past year we are just over about 13.5 million square feet of cumulative commercial square feet and 37% of that only 37% of that is retail when I started 29 years ago it was closer to a 5050 maybe even slightly more than 50 on retail we were just really known as retail and that was a very um strategic move on the city's part to balance that work or that economic base one of the uh projects we wanted to just highlight in terms of last year was the Gold Line development project so we noted Top Golf being built or under construction there's also main event was approved that should be starting later this year um we also saw terms of go line development the completion of the parking ramp and again we talked about the service center going there um later this summer those will both be open speaking of Gold Line uh I just want to put in a little plug uh the opening day is a week and a few days away so Friday uh excuse me Saturday March 22nd is when it officially opens and um there will be free rides the first week so I encourage those who want to check it out to to try that and there's some ribbon cuting here in wood also Community celebrations at Saturday so please check that out and that is a work that's been going on at the city level for well over a decade um um Partners obviously with Washington County Ramsey County uh Metropolitan Council Metro Transit and the FED federal government can I ask you a quick question about the Gold Line sure um the rides are free for a week on the Gold Line does that include the micrus or not I don't believe that will be free during that week just think so but I thought I better check thank you another uh new Initiative for last year we have finally a full year to report on for the uh destination Woodbury our new destination marketing organization so we started collecting the funds in April of 2023 so 2024 was really the first year where we had a full year of Revenue collection uh the months are indicated the revenue that was generated that month so we just received December's um amount um probably about a week ago so was able to kind of squeeze into the last version of this report uh we did hire our first uh destination marketing manager Eric satri and he's been working on some of those initial first steps one of those is the website launch that'll be launching at the Woodbury Expo on April 5th and also available at the Expo will be a new Park and trail map we haven't updated that since 2016 um so we're very excited to be handing those out and again funded by the DMO which is funded by a lodging tax so I encourage people to stop by Community Expo the city has a booth but so does the DMO another initiative that was started um its inaugural year in 2024 was our rental licensing program so in 2024 we issued just under 8,000 total licenses um about 6,000 of those were for multif family or apartments and about 1,800 of those were for single family we um estimate we have about a 90% % compliance rate Based on data on how we determine or identify that a property may be rental so we're just starting year two sent out notices and starting to see them come back in um to renew their licenses so we've had very good success this first year J may I ask a question yes sorry does that does that include apartment complexes like the Orville Comm they would be in the multif family and the senior living also then perect thanks as far as the HRA Loan program we did have a successful year um in 2024 we issued 24 loans um I think we ended that in about June so we closed the program in June because we had hit our capacity for that year so out of those we had 17 home ownership loans and two Home Improvement loans and seven of those uh home ownership loans were first generation loans it's nice to see the cumulative number of first generation loans we Ked that we the first city I believe in the state to do that so good good to see ongoing use of that and again I said 24 I meant 26 loans issued in 2024 um in terms of affordable Workforce so this is the first of our Deep dive so uh the EDC uh chose this as one of the topics so we had two large um affordable Workforce projects that the council approved in 2024 the first is Settlers at uh Reserve at Settlers Ridge 252 units um this did get again approved by the city council some of the things that the council did were land use changes zoning flexibility density bonuses we actually um are issuing um tax exempt bonds for them as well they have the first permit it's a two building project the first building is out the door on the second one is right on its heels so we'll see that under construction here shortly I have good news to announce that Meadows at project at pray Ridge actually just received their state bonding allocation on Monday so very happy to acknowledge that tonight um so we're just starting to have those meetings with them their next steps are to finalize their tax credits and then kind of understand what the the Gap is still remaining in terms of any subordinate funding they do plan to begin construction this year for that project so that'll be really exciting to see that project take off as was that was that going to be phased that is a building so it would a one building Reserve was mul phase The Meadows is a single nice good yep can you just take a moment and tell us how that tax exempt Bond what happened did someone else not get it and it came only quick yeah I believe there were some that didn't get used so then they go back into the pool and the first priority um person in first line which was the U Meadows that said or excuse me prayer Ridge we allowed then to get those we're kind of hearing this might be happening um but until we knew we've been pushing the issue too a little bit with how they hopefully we've I don't know some positive influence maybe happen or very excited to share that again tonight so next year that that bar will show you know close to 500 units of affordable Workforce housing and these are long-term affordable so they will be affordable for many years to come yeah um so the second of our Deep dive topics is city place and this was a um chosen for two reasons it's been 10 years 20 4 was when Elon came and purchased that property um time flies and uh the second thing was this year also marked sort of the end of the real substantive development um with health partner specialty completing actually they just opened up and Meridian Town Homes also being completed um what I wanted to point out tonight was just a couple of the sort of wow factors so back in 2014 with the State Farm building on the property the taxable market value of that project 100 acres was 12.5 million today with not still all of the full taxable value realized 250 million wow so quite a success story you can see um places to work 425,000 square feet 167,000 of places to shop that was one of the things that the city did in Li of sort of financial subsidies was providing that zoning flexibility changing this to allow some um ancillary retail so that we could attract those other types of users here the hospitality the healthare ETC remind us places to eat fall in which category places to shop they are shop okay J maybe you can just uh to emphasize the city place Redevelopment um talk about the city subsidies that we gave for that there were none greater that wasn't a that was that was not a tiff District No so many cities go and and when you create a tiff tiffs are really helpful instruments but it locks up a lot of tax value for a long time and so the city did not need a tiffet we did zoning and comprehensive plan and and uh facilitated this to Community Development with no subsidies nice and so that's an additional part of our story another round of applause [Applause] outstanding not quite as exciting the uh still good but the the other one the other Tiff distri the other Redevelopment District we wanted to talk about is Tiff 15 so this um is a pay as you go Tiff district and it is something that we did need to provide a financial subsidy so this is the uh property where the former keyan was located and there was an also a former Spire Credit Union building that was under they were both considered blighted so the purpose behind that was really to remove those blighted buildings and situate this for potential Redevelopment this was approved in 2019 preco so the development plan that was approved anticipated um you know was built on um another office building about a 35,000 foot office building coming in and that has not yet materialized so the the increment that has been generated is not quite what was anticipated at this point in time however because it's pay as you go the city is not on the hook for that money the developer just doesn't realize that return on investment that they were expecting so they're very motivated obviously to bring in a user that um will help them generate that increment um but this is a 26-year tiff District Redevelopment districts are allowed to be uh that lengthy I didn't want to just again other than removing those buildings we relocated the access to South of the water tower that was a big issue in terms of Redevelopment um we reinvested in those two multi-tenant Office Buildings that were there they kind of spruce those up if you will and we did get one new uh project which is the chickf filet development as well so finally our last Deep dive is the Northeast business park so there's been a lot of activity in the last um five years so really this um even though it's been going on for many many years the development really began in 2020 with the um building of the Keva building so at 137,000 so the green bar indicates the square foot footage of new commercial construction that has been built over the course of the 5 years and cumulatively so at present date we have just over 2 million square feet of space within the Northeast Business Park the blue line within there is how much of that is occupied how much space has been um built with you know end users tenants Etc so just on just over half of that is built so about half is still available much of that was built on spec um other than Amazon and Keva it was all built on SPEC Building it and then going out to Market to bring that in so we feel really good it's making that progress towards um filling that up but again there's still activity there's still opportunity for more businesses to come to Woodbury and then I'll end with this um particular map I think is really interesting to just kind of show it kind of all at once the enormity of the Northeast Business Park and so you can see where all of the buildings are um currently the the 2 million square feet that are out there the green kind of hashed areas are the projects that have been approved but have not yet started yet so last year Council approved an Amazon a second Amazon Project Wrangler we also now have again the two apartment buildings Reserve at Settlers Ridge Meadows at Prairie Ridge um there's some more Woodbury Storage condos that have not yet been built Godard school is actually under construction now it started in 2025 and then um you can see the the land that is still remaining um just land that doesn't have a development proposal or approval yet uh so in the very far northeast corner at Manning and then just on the other side of Keva and a couple other little pockets that are still available so still a lot of great opportunities out there so excited to you know Market that to to our Brokers and development Community jelle the same question setup question City subsidies for this none so again we did do some u a lot of planning on the pride um environmental planning particularly the AAR alternative Urban areawide review which was the first one was done back in 2009 because that was one of the hurdles to development was how do you um evaluate the cumulative environmental impacts when you don't know when things are going to happen um so we did that we had to update it every five years so I think we've done three or four updates over the course of that period of time um really Keva and Amazon coming in really set the stage especially Amazon building out that Highway Corridor on Hudson Road um and they are the ones who you know built that to its ultimate and now those other users coming in are able to to take advantage of that getting utilities out there has has been that was huge a big hurdle so you Keva got some State money if I remember right the economic development money deed yeah deed money and then Amazon doing that has really right it's been significant and I think the workforce um housing the affordable housing is another component that again um Council being very um strategic but also flexible and thinking again how do we continue to make this a really vibrant uh business Mark and having that accessible Workforce uh is one of those [Music] components so with that I don't know if you have any questions I thank you for asking them along the way but very pleased to present this uh once again well again thank you for all the work you and your staff does um for on this and the whole economic development team on helping pull this together it's a lot of information of course we uh just for everyone in the audience purposes or anyone listening we did receive this we've had an opportunity to thoroughly review it since it came in our packet on Friday so um but just uh great to have this and we will be posting it online um we have last year's online usually after tonight then we'll update the the link online for others to be able to see that's great council members any comments or questions page 24 paragraph two no I'm kidding page 24 the um I know like I would be remiss if we didn't talk a little bit about your your outreach program because that is I would say significantly increased in the number of conversations that you all have had and I and I appreciate the the outcomes of that because a lot of times you know again we everything we do is in an open meeting that we don't get a lot of time to talk about some of those conversations that the mayor has with businesses so I appreciate that those bullet point feedbacks and it's a nice opportunity to get out and connect with our business uh leaders business owners um and just know what's important to them share with them things happening in the city so we did have a discussion the other day looking at how do we do it even better going forward so um we've got some ideas around that but um it's just always great to connect so if any business ladies are out there if you ever want to visit with me the mayor and bring some staff members very happy to come and meet with you and learn more of course we're very engaged with the Chamber of Commerce as well so of course we interact with a lot of businesses in that way but always good to go meet on site and I'll learn more about the people that run these businesses and how their business is going and how we with the how the city interacts with them so been on the other side of that conversation and we were the business the mayor came to came to us and that was a convers j I think you were there for that that was a conversation you weren't there no um but that was a conversation that had the business was able to relay very important problems and hurdles that then the C he could address so that conversation it's not just you understanding more it's the business is getting an actual seat at the table is huge for us yeah keep going thank you for sharing that thank you mad mayor May I a um this this is not necessarily for our staff this is more for the um met Council hello and met Council are you listening um this will be one of two opportunities tonight I I'm hoping to plug the fact that we need that Metro Link in that northeast corner there is uh plenty of housing out there that needs to rely on this inner city transportation um please get it out there thank you thank you specific Metro or Metro micro being the specific program of those little mini buses that go around and if you don't know about it please go check it out it's a fabulous program but runs right now in 13 square miles of the city we have 36 square miles so it doesn't get everything it is a pilot it's being run for a period of time to see how it goes so hopefully those users in the 13 square miles use it and we can look at working with them to expand it but it is early early on right now in that program but it is a great one um anything else right thank you very much Janelle I appreciate that we all do um okay moving on to the open form it looks like I Mr abdalah is are you for open Forum I'm not quite well okay are you the from Betty mccullum's office okay then you are open form so please come forward um as is our Norm for open form you get about three minutes a time please state your name and address for the record and uh it's good to have you here thank you for coming thank you uh my name is Abdullah Abdullah I live in U uh 8 St Paul 9994 3rd Street um I'm here on behalf of the congresswoman Betty McCullum thank you for allowing me to address the Woodberry city council this evening I'd like to briefly introduce myself again my name is Abdullah Abdullah and I work in the congressman St Paul office in an Outreach capacity uh my business card is included in this folder of information so please uh do not hesitate to reach out to me uh also in this folder you'll find our office's C Service guides and a list of uh C casework Service issue areas uh today I'd like to to address the council uh about Community Project funding also known as CFS uh each year members of the United States House and Senate can sponsor a limited number of one-time funding requests for local uh Community programs that do not easily fit in within the existing Grant programs or appropriation request unlike regular Federal grant applications which are submitted to federal agencies cities submit a project proposal directly to the federal legislator or legislators Community project uh funding grants provide investment in a wide variety of projects such as housing homelessness prevention Workforce training public facilities park parks resil sorry resilience uh planning and other critical infrastructure and services uh included in this folder is a complete list of uh all Community project uh sponsored by Congressman McCullum for Minnesota's fourth congressional district uh since FY 2022 uh we do not yet have official guidance from the House Majority on whether Community project Project funding will be available fiscal year 2026 or what eligibility requirements will be if uh Community project requests are allowed however in the interest of best preparing our potential Partners to apply uh for cpfs we um are uh including this information in the packet and uh are um suggesting uh our partners look at our website m.house.gov uh Congress McCullum encourages applicants to submit proposals for projects that have a strong uh demonstration of community support examples include letters from local officials resolutions state or local funding commitments uh projects that are shovel ready are are able to quickly move to utilize funds um are once they are once um made available our discrete single-ear projects request should not be for one year of funding for an ongoing commitment or for general program funding also in your packet you will find guidance on a list of eligible Federal accounts from FY 2025 again we do not yet know the requirements um for 2026 uh until it is announced by the house of majority but for the uh best option right now is the FY 2025 guidelines uh and that's the best starting point currently available once FY 2026 is announced uh hopefully in the coming weeks there will be short window to apply with our office uh before the deadline if you have potential projects in mind or any questions please do not hesitate to reach out uh and once again on behalf of the congresswoman's office thank you for for allowing me to speak and present to you guys great thank you appreciate you coming tonight um we have been working with Betty mcoles office over the past few years and appreciate the work that she's done to help us get some federal money for projects in our community um most notably the recent Clint helped me out Weir Drive came from her and then also help with the um the manifold on the East for the East wellfield so we've gotten several million dollars and and just for those residents and taxpayers this is uh money that all the taxpayers pay comes to the state ends up going to the federal government and we ask for pieces of it to come back so this is hard work that our Representatives do and our Senators to say hey we've got a bunch of money that Minnesota sent to the federal government now let's bring some of it back to our local community so thrilled that and again thank you for coming here to share with us the guidelines and the timeline for this year I know our staff is working very hard already on what are the projects we're going to apply for if in fact they're allowed we're looking forward to that um but uh and again appreciate all that representative mcum has done for us uh in getting money back to our community so all right thank you thank you for joining us tonight Angie Craig and you're right Angie Craig brought more money and yes yes you might just I feel like we skip sort of the process about open Forum in terms of um I think there are some green sheets and I think people just want to make sure that they will get a chance if it's not for the open Forum that it might be for a item on the right so the green sheets are here I I I knew he was coming that's why I thought he was an open Forum one that's the only one usually we kind of get a hint who's here for open Forum I do have another one for an item later for our our public hearing item 7D which is the roadway rehab a lot of you may be here for that um so open forum is for anything that is not already on our agenda and that's what he was here for if there's items on the agenda and that's what you're here for and you want to speak then I need a green sheet so I have one looks like one more is coming you've got time is uh until we get to the agenda item to to add to it if you find the agenda we do have 1 two three four I think five different topics for open for public forum so again check the agenda if there's something you want to speak about screen sheets for that thank you for that guidance okay uh with that we are I think that's it for open Forum unless there's something online Ashley always check because you can do it online too during the meeting all right well now move on to our consent agenda all items listed under the consent agenda are considered to be routined by the city council will be enacted by one motion and affirmative vote by roll call of the majority of the members present there'll be no separate discussion of these items unless a council member or citizen say requests in which event the item will be removed from the consent agenda and considered a separate subject of discussion by the council so we have item 6 a through 6 U so several items on the list offered up to the public did anyone want something removed for disc discussion see none I always check Ashley anybody online um okay with that I'll ask council members uh to if anybody has anything to remove if not I would put forth a motion please it is to right we do have a policy to please let us know ahead of time if you're going to remove something so we haven't heard of anything so but I do want to clarify it although it's a policy if somebody changes their mind at the last minute they can certainly pull something from agenda that is true but I'm not hearing anything so would someone like to put forth a motion I'll move to approve agenda item 6A through 6 U Oh Donna beat you motion a second any further discussion hearing none the roll call please hi I ion I I those uh items pass we will now move on to the public hearing section as I said just a moment ago we do have five different public hearings for tonight we'll take these in order um because of this and usually there are people want to speak I'm going to read our guidelines for How We Do public discussion at public hearings so in order to allow a full airing of all speaker comments individual remarks may not exceed 10 minutes each if a speaker determines that more time is necessary they're advised to make a request in writing please do this you should have done this three days ago if you needed it but um anyway um if we have a lot of speakers I could reduce that everyone's time not give you 10 minutes each essentially what we would like to do is wrap up and listen to the hearing in about a 30 minute period of time so we had lots and lots of speakers i' shorten your time um if if you want to make a comment and someone's already said what you agree with or want to say you can just come up and say I agree with so and so or whatever you don't have to like reiterate every last item unless of course you want to and it's still within the time limit so um bottom line uh speakers are encouraged to coordinate presentations if any to the any extent possible we would ask that the public uh would refrain from Applause or other expressions of emotion whether in favor of or opposition to any particular application or argument of course inappropriate language outbursts or criticisms aimed at individual or groups are not allowed um so as we do each item I will um again I've got right now one for 70 there's one here for Community Development I'm not Sureway roadway so maybe 7D as well okay so and then that's all I have right now um so we've got a few other public hearings to do first so we'll get through those and then we'll get to 70 in a moment um but if you do when I do call your name please come up to the mic state your name and address for the record um and we'll have a timer going and um you know you'll have 10 minutes if there's only two of you you can each Pick 10 minutes if you care to uh with that said we're going to move on to our very first item which is slick City woodberry's conditional use permit uh Janelle's going to tell us more about it and the hearing is now open thank you mayor Bert members of the city council Mike and Annie Kelly have applied for a conditional use permit for a new commercial recreation use to be called slick City it is an indoor park with slides and air trampolines uh the location would be in the existing building at 587 Settlers Ridge Parkway also known as the East Ridge Business Center Cent so just in that area we were just talking about the property is Zone business campus District or BCD it's guided as places to work on our land use plan the city has identified that commercial recreation is a supportive use in the places to use places to work land use and we have identified that um commercial recreation uses over 5,000 square fet in a multi-tenant building need to go through the conditional use permit process so that is why they have applied for a conditional use permit so slick city is proposing to occupy 50,000 Square ft of the building as commercial recreation use the applicant is proposing to install an indoor Recreation experience within the existing Suite of the building while the land use again is guided as places to work the city has identified that those uses are supportive with the places to work land use category they're commonly seen in light industrial buildings throughout the metro area and in Woodbury um because they provide a higher ceiling more affordable rents and parking is available that is typically complimentary or off peak with the other uses in the building staff is recommending that this particular commercial recreation use in the East Ridge Business Center at 50,000 Square ft um be limited to that amount so 28% of the building the proposed cap is higher than some of the other caps that you've seen in the other those were at 15% and this is basically one year use per building so this particular use is 50,000 ft it happens to equate to 28% the pickle ball was another use and I think the other one was the good times neighborhood park they happen to be that one use for that building and those both happen to equal about 15% the reason for that cap is so that should they want to expand or another use comes in it has to come before city council so we want to make sure there's a good mix and not over over um saturated if you will with these types of uses so it is appropriate to establish those types of of caps and make sure we have compliment and supported uses in terms of access again this is an existing building so there are two access points one off of Settlers Ridge Parkway and one off of um Diamond Drive which is a private drive on the back side of the building um the parking lighting Landscaping storm water all of that was designed when the building first went in so there's really no site plan review with this and terms of parking um we have established a a parking ratio of about 6 one stall for every 647 square fet and that's 77 stalls so you can see there are stalls on the front end that are dedicated for the customers and then the backside has the Stalls that are dedicated for the employees and this is um there was a question um ahead of time how does this compare because I believe this is opening in Maple Grove their parking ratio is 1 per thousand so ours is more restrictive so we require more parking with that again this is off peak in terms of other uses there's one other use within the building um it's Universal Services it's a telecommunication contractor so um again typically daytime hours not a lot of evenings and weekends when we expect this to be a little bit busier so we do have our Planning Commission representative sa and Shaw is here to provide the recommendation from the Planning Commission thank you and my first time here so bear with me um so uh can you guys hear me yes it doesn't say oh that's just a timer okay so I think the the key way I would summarize this is the Commissioners were all very positive about uh this proposed project thought it was a good addition uh to woodbury's needs for indoor activity and play areas uh so that was essentially kind of The Upfront discussion and the key points of discussion that were based on recommendations made by the city staff were as J already covered is customer parking uh in front of the building only uh and um specifically making sure that there was disability parking Provisions uh also um then uh the parking capacity was the other part of the discussion for the Slick you know events because it's an event based you know facility and you know the input that we got from The Proposal is that their Peak is their working hours are primarily from Friday 5 p.m. to Sunday 5 p.m. and so the adjacent business is actually essentially a 8 to5 type of business on weekday so that should be okay then that's I think Janelle kind of mentioned that too already and then um she also mentioned the uh Settlers Ridge industrial being capped at 28% for total tenant space you know for cons use is considered to be commercial recreation and the Commissioners actually voted unanimously 7 to0 um on the recommendations any questions for me no thank you all right thank you Janelle is the applicant here I don't they are thank you are you Mr Kelly I I am yes we saw we saw Mrs Kelly on the news this morning so it's good to see her Maple Grove for your getting ready for that that was nice to see um any do you have anything to add that you want to say at this time just thank uh come if you would mind just come to the mic just plus the public they they don't mind seeing who you are and what you're all about and tell us a little bit about your enthusiasm for this or name and address for the record just Mike Kell um I'm at 1080 Heritage Lane out in wetta um I I just want to say we're thrilled to come out here to Woodberry uh to build this development um we have our friends and family event in Maple Grove our first Park we are the first franchisees of this um of this concept across the country um this will be the first park in Minnesota uh in Maple Grove and the second one it Woodbury and I'd like to also tell you that we originally had um a ter down in Texas but after we learned more about Woodberry my wife and I have been here for 5 years we thought this would be the perfect spot for a location so we scrapped the uh the location down in Texas and and came up here to uh to Woodberry instead so thank you thank you thank you very much um I just want to say I have one little complaint because I read your your marketing materials and it says adults 18 to35 on the slides it's a little disappointed with that cuz I might be a little older than that and I need special permission to go down the slide CU I do want to do it because it looks super fun especially when you get air at the bottom that looked really cool that must have been a typo or my kid must have done that because I I I don't fit that range either and I tell you Annie my wife her uh her 75y old father uh went off the the mega launch last weekend so you're you're cover change change your marketing materials cuz you're going to get a lot of adults that want to want to do it I mean a future Workshop meeting adventures with mayor an adventures with mayor an come on yeah it's Retreat yeah oh oh yeah that's a good idea compliments Woodbury EMS thank you thanks thanks for additional inform information I think it's great um okay I don't have any green sheets on this unless somebody's online nobody is so I make a motion that we close the hearing second motion second any further discussion I have a couple Con well it comes to you in just a minute any further disc this is for the open part got it all in favor of closing the hearing I I and now I open it up to council members now I can ask now you can ask a question um I watched the meeting the Planning Commission meeting Planning Commission meeting and there was a comment made about and I know the hours the busiest hours Mike I think you said are from 5: to 7: Friday through Sunday sorry can you repeat the question please 5 to 7 Friday Saturday and Sunday are your busiest times um yes I mean 70% of the business comes from Friday at 5:00 P pm to Sunday at 5: p.m. yes my concern is where Diamond comes out on E East View comes out of diamond that is exactly where Eagle Brook Church participants come out and their services are on Saturday at 4 and 6 and there's generally 1,500 to 2,000 people there and I'm wondering how that traffic is going to flow council member Stafford members of the city council there is also another um they can exit to the north on Karen so there's multiple ways in and out and again the the employees would really be looking at the diamond side not the customers okay because for the Eaglebrook people they use a lot of the East VI and the Settlers Ridge and I'm just I know it's a traffic jam now and I'm I'm I and with garded school going in there I'm a little concerned about parents coming and going on Friday evenings just I'm sure you've taken all that into consideration but I just wanted to bring that up yep okay is there East East View if you you're welcome to hang or sit whatever maybe sit in front in case there's more questions for you you don't get back row anymore yeah East VI is not signalized no uh yes it is isn't it no East few Ro at Sellers Ridge partway is not signalized that was uh recently reviewed here this last summer for Signal warrants and it's uh not quite Prime for signal and so that's what I was going to say is maybe adding a condition that within the next five years because I don't know how often we're that intersection would be reviewed as normal process but as this then develops as Goddard goes in is that is that that Northeast quarter continues to develop is what's the plan for review of that those intersections yeah our normal practice with the Northeast area here is every development that comes in we're updating our traffic studies and reviewing this intersection so um we would have a regular process as development comes in to understand when that intersection would need to be signalized copy light there is a light at Brookview and Settler's Ridge which is only what a couple three blocks so we might get backed up with that too so there might be some significant changes as council member Morris said over the next four to five years and isn't there an exit from Eagle Brook Church onto Brook viiew as well that is correct yep they also have two yeah and then we had talked about the the the East the development east of that we talked a lot about that during that that project about that cross that what's going to come through is a it tries to avoid Manning yeah east and west on East View is it tries to avoid Manning that that cut through I want to say cut through but that I mean half mile cut through as East few develops or sorry as the development meadow meadow meow rdge think you as that develops in that Northeast corter quter does MH so it's I'm I'm good with staff's answer of consistent review there for those Northeast quadrants okay other questions comments concerns I have one um more for the future suggestion um because I know that this is seems like a New Concept and I will just tell you I have two boys that will gladly test this out for you I showed them pictures and they're like when is it going to be open um so they were really excited uh is there any of the sort of apparatus have like ramps to them the reason why I ask is I want just from an opportunity to provide some um accessibility for some children or individuals as well so just as a thought again I know that this is somewhat new um but just maybe more accessibility than because I see that there's a lot of stairs to have to get up to the top of the slides but if there was maybe some that maybe are just not as high but have sort of longer ramps that so yeah and and it is uh admittedly something I haven't given a tremendous amount of thought to um but it's one of the the core tenants of slick city is to innovate always and they're a very just inclusive um this a group that is always wanting to make sure ensure participation from every everyone so I I would imagine that um that that would be part of a future concept for sure an indoor place when madis playground is not available right yeah anything else that was that for me I do have something excuse me um my question is more for staff I know uh the cap just to be clear the cap that we're putting on these recreational uses in these warehouses that's so the city maybe can maintain a little more control over what's going in correct council member well some members of the council it's not um it's not as though 15% or 28% would be applied across the board it's when you get a use for a multi-tenant building it's basically One commercial recreation for that building as long as it's not the majority of that building so in this case it's a pretty sizable use at 50,000 Square fet it happens to be 28% that's you know plenty we don't need other ones within that building um the other one with pickle ball that was about 15% is my recollection and again wanting to make sure we have control it's Council um through a condition so if somebody else came into either of these buildings with another concept they could apply for a conditional use permanent council could wave that or amend that condition going forward but we want to make sure that that control is here at the city council in terms of what's that right mixture of uses because we wouldn't um or would we have to see if another type of business came in uh depending what type of business it is um if it's another Universal Services type a tenant that's your traditional office warehouse industrial that's considered a permitted use they only have to get a building permit okay okay this particular use as a indoor Recreation more than 5,000 square fet in a multi-tenant building has to go through the conditional use permit process and this goes way back to Funzone you know those kind of that's a free standing one but again we've had multi-tenant buildings or excuse me um commercial recreation in industrial areas for many many years um I'll just take this opportunity to share this is my second my second plug for met Council knock knock uh again more development going in out there we have a senior living out there we have affordable housing going in out there we have Warehouse out there it is important that everybody have access to transportation in Woodbury that needs it thank you thank you you're just I needed to get it in you are consistent I just you know there's no wine bar in this one so I not that I drink wine but um you know we do have Central Park we do have um Lookout Ridge coming and one of the things that we heard when we were doing Lookout Ridge was there's only so much space in there that these these kind of these kinds of facilities just help recreate all around the city in different versions and different forms Lookout Ridge will be significantly different than this in that so even even though this is you know a competitor for Lookout rage it's not because it's just so different in its in its scope so this is just another and to the to the point the council member Wilson was making about the the Caps the percentages are really result of the size of the building that was there in the land which is really a more about space available on that particular plot or that particular parcel so I'm not as worried about the percentage but I like the fact that we have to issue the C so we can preserve that that diversity of of stock so yeah I'm a big fan yeah I'll just add too that um with our destination Woodberry we are already going to be attracting lots of families and kids with sporting events and different things throughout the year and this just gives them one more fun way to spend more time in Woodberry so the soccer tournament gets rained out yep or the little brother and sister don't want to be there for the warm-up or what have you yeah so and in terms of the DMO and the sporting events I know I've brought this up before what a great opportunity out in that area to build those um uh gyms that can serve basketball gymnastics weddings that's why I was trying to get a handle on what kind of why we were putting something like that on there but um this this uh I will say I can't remember what the place used to be called in Woodbury but I did I do it was nothing like this I my kids are gonna be jealous of I don't know adult fun it's gonna be adult fun um I'll move to approve the Slick City conditional use permit via the attached resolution 25-49 a resolution adopting findings fact project number 01 uh 202- 572 subject to the following conditions listed in Council letter 25-80 second motion a second any further discussion hearing none the roll call please hi hicon IC member Morris I mayor Bert I that resolution passes congratulations and um so Maple Grove is opening like next week so what what could we anticipate in terms of woodberry's opening I don't know how long it takes to order all the stuff and get it installed I was asking that exact same question this afternoon so we're uh we are looking to finalize the lease here um within the next couple weeks and then um we'll go into design phase order the equipment and I think this could be we're going to push to have this open by year end fantastic that's great yeah wonderful well welcome to wber thank you very much thanks okay uh next uh item on our agenda is the Red Rock farmers market in interim conditional use permit uh the hearing is now open I'll just say that I think this is the second year for the location of the Farmers Market at Red Rock I think it's been a success but please tell us more yes thank you mayor Bert members of the city council St Paul growers association has applied for an interim conditional use per permit to operate a farmers market here in Woodbury um as the mayor mentioned this is the second year that they are looking to do this at Red Rock Elementary 3311 Commonwealth um Avenue and that is Zone R4 Urban residential guided as public semi public on the land use plan so the interim conditional use permit is required for farmers markets basically it ensures compliance with our zoning ordinance standards we review parking signage duration neighborhood impacts and the like the interim use is defined as a temporary use until a particular date or until the occurrence of a particular event or until a particular zoning regulations no longer allow it the applicant again did um have or does have an interim conditionally use permit for this farmers market at Central Park but obviously last year with construction they were not able to have there have it there so they moved it to Red Rock we due to the kind of short timing on that we were able to accommodate them through a temporary event um permit rather than an interim conditional use uh they had indicated they wanted to come back again this year again Central Park still not being um open uh in terms of the parking area so they did desire to come back and apply for another another conditional use permit um this is sort of the area that is shown so the parking lot to the east side of the building um the movable signs are shown in terms of directional signs there would be Portable Restrooms as there are um were at the old um location the farmers market would be opening or operating on Sundays between May and October from 8:00 a.m. to 1: p.m. so again similar hours to what it had at at um Central Park the Planning Commission representative uh saurin uh Shaw is also here again to provide their recommendation okay Mr sain Shaw for your Rie time you got five in one night I don't know who's put that on you but you're doing a great job thank you so um similar kind of format and in which I wanted to update on this one um so the Commissioners were unanimously positive about continuing the farmers market in Woodbury uh and felt it was ESS part of Woodbury city culture and citizens needs um and key discussion points some of it Janelle already covered was you know around the inum versus permanent location of farmers market and the discussion was around it should be closer to the city center quote unquote um and the staff recommended the target would be uh you know eventually Central Park once the construction is completed um you know is where it would go to um uh and and you know the conditional use permit would be reviewed annually um you know rather than kind of granted you know for multiple years and then uh M most of the discussion from a logistics standpoint was around parking and traffic you know flow at the site um for those of you are familiar with you know what that looks like um the signage you know on the payment markings right is for the school and so it's kind of not the same traffic flow for for the for the market you know if you've been there uh I have and and then the discussion was also around not permitting any parking on Commonwealth Avenue um because that you know had caused some issues and congestions so on so forth um again the commission Commissioners voted unanimously at 7 to0 for this for approval great any questions for me no thank you all right thank you um I don't have any green sheets on this Ashley anything online okay then I make a motion we close the hearing second motion a second any further discussion hearing Sor hearing none all in favor I I okay the hearing's closed now open to council members for discussion or questions can you to talk a little bit about the flow mainly about the parking as it relates to being close to there so there is parking identifyed council memb sentin members of the city council um fairly close and I imagine these are the ones that fill up pretty quickly because they're next to where the vendors are the other parking is identified in the purple area so in the back as well so they were to come in so to Mr Shaw's point when they come in do they go straight into the Zone where the parking is located or would they go sort of around to the southern side and have to Loop in I don't know that would have to follow the the arrows that are on there so I I don't have an answer for that particular question because I guess I sort of would want I I feel like because and we have gone to this um new location and obviously you do you have so many pedestrians and so to sort of create a better just a more consistent flow you know I'm wondering if that sort of one access point um out yeah so that you would have to come in and around and so that they would have to you're not seeing me but I'm going to show you this way um like force them to come in here so that this is all one way okay and we do have a condition council member Santini about meeting out on site ahead of time okay to do that we just haven't been out there yet obviously so I believe that is um prior to opening number nine prior to opening the farmers market the staff and the applicant will meet on site to identify that final traffic flow part of it is twos because none of those are pull throughs so their people are going to be backing out and so just to have so whatever way whichever direction makes most sense but I think making those two areas of parking have to be a one-way directional will help alleviate particularly with pedestrians okay meering I have some if you're done and oh sorry and one other like I had almost on that far what that would be that east side then like but on sort of parallel to radio I'd almost like not even want traffic to be able to go through there okay so block this off yeah because again you're dealing with I feel like there's just a lot of pedestrians around there and whatever you can minimize encourage people to bike that's what we did there what are the hours of this again um 8:00 a.m. to 10000 p.m. I believe on Sunday yeah okay council member Wilson do you have some I do have some things so um I we're we're all talking about the parking because we've all experienced it and I know last year I did receive some phone calls on it um and so was it decided that there will be no parking on Commonwealth believe there's a condition to that I looked for that same condition I did it's number 11 Farmers Market will actively enforc no parking on Commonwealth Avenue oh I see only go to nine [Applause] that is in the planning St you know what it's it's in the a resolution that's why we didn't see it oh it's in the resolution uh so there's that an error in a council letter I apologize for that no no that's I'm I'm glad that was there but what about Commonwealth Court and the only reason I say that is Commonwealth Court is a 26 foot wide Street and that uh was very difficult uh to maneuver up and down that road um I think it's impossible when you have parking both sides and it's a call to SEC and people you think council could amend the condition to include Commonwealth Court as well as Commonwealth Avenue anyone interested yeah oh yeah if it's been a problem then yeah okay y yeah because we boot it off a Commonwealth Avenue it's just going to go around the corner well yeah um so will you it be no parking on both sides of Commonwealth or just one side it says along Commonwealth Avenue so I would say on both sides okay W with the condition 11 it says the farmers market shall actively enforce is that something that we can give them the temporary Park no parking signs that we do we can thank you okay like we do for wood R days yeah the ones you know by police order the police order sign yeah yeah okay otherwise we get into a lacrosse problem yeah yeah and then just to be clear we're moving back to Central Park then after this summer well again that is a condition um within here so so condition number one that the city can elect to have that again you review all of the annual interim conditional use permits every year so when Central Park is done um one of the things in talking with u um Park director Michelle okada we need to be mindful of our other partners at Central Park as well so we want to make sure that we we work with them to ensure that this is something they want back as well um and so I think that that would be something when we come back next um usually it's in January for the renewals that all of the interim conditional use permits come to council at that time so we will have an understanding at that point okay okay if we're all on board with the amendment to the Commonwealth Court then I'm good I don't need to say anymore thank you you to put forth a motion oh my gosh pop it up in your use good yep it's start it's not quite the same uh let's see um I recommend that we adopt a motion approving the Red Rock Farmers Market interim conditional use permit um with the amendment to number 11 to include Commonwealth Court as a No Parking um during the market via the resolution 2550 a resolution adopting findings effect project number 20 2025 0057 subject to the condition outlined in the council letter second motion a second any further discussion hearing none the roll call please council member Stafford I council member Wilson hi council member Morris hi council member Santini I mayor Bert hi that resolution passes we will have a farmers market once again what is the what's the opening date of it may I don't have a May some okay unless there snow on the ground hello I'm the applicant oh great I have flyers for you all thank you well that was purp a horse but good do you want to um pass us around and if you have any extra if anyone in the audience wants one welcome to have them thank you I didn't realize you were here I would have called you up do you want to say anything about it now that oh no we're just really excited to be back and uh thank you for your support it's lovely to hear how many of you and the Planning Commission actively attend the farmers market so it's just great to hear at this level and yeah I thank you yeah we're we're very happy to have it here in Woodbury so thank you for bringing it to our community I don't TR to St Paul yeah um okay the next item is the uh special assessments the 2025 roadway rehab project um the hearing is now open Drew Brock I think you're going to share with us some news on that and then just to clarify I have it's really important listen to what he's saying and if you intend to speak during 7 C versus 7D we need to know that because right now I have this looking like 7D so listen up this is 7c you might want to be speaking on this one but go ahead Drew Drew is by the way our engineering project coordinator for this good evening mayor and members of council she said I'm Drew Boxford I'm the engineering project coordinator and the project manager for the 2025 roadway Rehabilitation project all right so purpose of this meeting uh go through the project background hold an assessment hearing um accept any written objections certify the assessment role and then there are six Associated resolutions with this so whoever draws that short STW I'm sorry about that but there's a lot of them and I'll go through why well I yes okay that's D okay oh that's d y That's D okay included I'm going to make sure we're doing okay we're just doing C right now okay members coun a presentation for both C and I I'll clarify um item C is the public hearing itself and there is a resolution following that to adopt the assessment Rule and then the following um item 70 is not a hearing but it's rather all of the um Associated um resolutions and we have them following the hearing just to make sure we put our funding in place before we move forward with the rest of the ACT got it okay so if anyone wants to speak on this you're going to speak during this 7c portion okay thank you for clarifying that all right the cart and horse thing yeah F first all right so project location um project location is is mainly in the Fox Run area and it is bounded by Hudson Road on the North side and um sorry uh Hudson Road on the North side and Woodberry drive on the west Po's Lake on the south side and St John's drive on the east side with the exception of Eastview road which continues on over to settler Ridge Parkway uh Central Park Place and prominade Lane are also included that was added at council's Direction at one point to coincide with the finishing of uh the Central Park project currently classifying that as a gravel road it's uh nearly that yes um and the stoplight that is added um on the top there that was uh one of the stop lights that was added um that was examined along with the one at East viw Road and settler Ro Parkway that you asked about earlier with the city yeah correct see all right public engagement we have had significant public engagement with this project uh started in the summer of 2023 with a neighborhood survey we've had three neighborhood meetings since then uh including one that was just a few days ago to talk about the assessments with people we've had a number of chances for people to provide feedback through surveys um in person and they can always reach out to us whenever they want um we have sent out four rounds of letters to nearly 900 property owners and we've had a number of people visit the website and attend meetings as far as public process goes with interactions with all of you um the normal meeting actions are all there on the left other interactions just to kind of highlight for everybody that uh the capital Improvement planning process this specific neighborhood has been kind of scheduled for eight years or so about um and then gets kind of more penciled in an ink about five years ago and keeps moving through the capital Improvement planning process um every year gets updated and the numbers kind of get more solid as we go and then uh as we went through there was a couple of memos that went to council with just some unique things with this project of multiple items of note for the project that was just some uniqueness with this project and then another memo that went to council as well after the public Improvement hearing regarding traffic caling and then our Safe Streets for all Workshop uh kind of bled into this project a little bit as well with the traffic circle and the Liberty Ridge Concepts uh just look a little bit further into the Fox Run area the main scope of the project is pavement removal and replacement with spot curb repairs as well a little bit of storm sewer work not a whole lot going on there's some uh minor storm water quality improvements as well as some additional storm water quality from uh from the 3M settlement that we've also included with this program with this project um and another agreement that we have with the South Washington Watershed District um has also been included with this project Forest Hill Drive is kind of unique it is this little road right in here that doesn't really connect to much of anything uh there's no houses on it and we found that as a location that we could remove a roadway which doesn't does that uh it doesn't happen very often uh I thought it was kind of a cool thing to do um so we one less road to maintain and uh it was another area for us to have um more storm water quality improvement area um which is frankly hard to find in developed areas remind me is that become a trail then or nothing or not it is a trail it'll keep The Pedestrian connection okay we'll have a slide on that in a minute um and then the signal that I mentioned earlier on Hudson Drive at Lake View or at Hudson Road and Lake View Drive and then traffic coming which was added at the public Improvement hearing along a number of Roads okay and before you move from this uh just clarifying M Mar graphs lake so there's private roads that are intermixed in that neighborhood correct so we're only doing the road that is a actual City Road and that would would that be the same there's maybe one little section in the tow houses off of is that Lake View most of it is are City roads but maybe there's a little call to SEC like that there that that's a private road there m is and then there's another one here okay and then there's a couple here at leward I believe and then there's uh one main one here that goes through on Mark okay but again private roads typically are marked with blue signs is that correct is that always always the case typically the case typical it should be okay yes okay thank you yep and then there's a couple spots like uh right here we're not redoing this as it was redone with the signal right when done yeah so we're not going to repave something that it's just repaved yeah okay the ESU road we included this separately just because it's a little bit different it's a Mill and overlay and some spot curb as well there's uh some enhanced pedestrian Crossings with some um uh Refuge Islands available there's some concerns with uh Crossing that road just cuz people it's a little bit faster of a busier Road people want to cross there a lot for there's a lot of good trail Network in that area so we added some of those uh there's a turn lane that is being removed down here near Fox Run Road into these businesses CU there's two right turn dedicated right turn Lanes into one parking lot and that allowed us to fill a trail Gap and then um the trail to Fox Run Park which I'll show you another slide it'll make a lot more sense when you can see the picture of it and then for Central Park Place in pron Lane as council member mois said the nearly Gravel Road uh is the main reason that we're going there it's really bad pavement and then uh also a trail uh the trail along promin un laad will be replaced as well that's the main main thing there mhm there is uh this slide on these projects is normally uh like four lines so the reason this is so long is because we have a bunch of extra agreements so I'm going to find in my notes here um this project the reason it got added like this is that there was a number of projects that got added so the phase two major roadway assessment special assessment fund that is for the stoplight that was added at Hudson and Lake View Road um that is paid for by development and is not included in the assessments the South Washington Watershed District they had a very large um water quality device that they wanted to add near marra Lake that made sense to include with our project as well that's being paid 100% by them including the all the engineering and inspect so that is all being paid for by them not included in the assessments as well uh The Pedestrian improvements that we're doing on Settlers Ridge Parkway that is um being funded by the city there's a small portion that the school district would have to do on their own property to um continue with the Ada accessible and make everything match up cost savings we included in our project they're paying for everything that's on their property uh to not and that's also not included in the assessments and then the 3M eligible um water and sewer Utility Fund that's for anything from all of the extra storm water quality stuff that we're doing on this project from the 3M gr or the 3M settlement where we're trying to get more water quality and credits for the storm water projects or for the storm water treatment plant and pipe project you almost had to butt in there for me because I couldn't finish the sentence and then the other two things uh special assessments are covering 22% of the total project costs and if you look at the total cost of the project at the public Improvement hearing it was initially uh $8.1 million and if you look at the project cost without all of the extra stuff added it came down to just over 7 million so the actual total project costs went down about 1.1 million overall okay um and that was mostly due to favorable bidding conditions uh seems like contractors are really looking for work good that was the main part of it yeah yeah all right uh proposed assessments uh for single family properties is the minimum assessment that they have that we have established as well as for Waterfront Drive the other multif family properties in the area are the or based off of the calculated assessments and then the CityWalk area has a very significant uh Gap from the low to the high and that's just because some of those really low ones are from the the smaller apartments in there that don't have a ton of uh um benefit from the project but they're still assessed as part of the project so they have very small square footage because the whole area is assessed it's a mixed use area so that's um assessed as a commercial property okay so that's why we didn't list them all in there because it's a big list of properties okay it is available if we want it and then uh one other thing for the assessments the prominade Apartments those all got assessed at uh like $63 a unit which came down from the initial of 89 so also fairly low per apartment for those who know don't know the special assessments it's a charge imposed on properties for certain improvements uh benefits the owners of those selected properties it's a levy the city uses to finance or partially finance a certain public Improvement we follow the two policies and guidance policies for our guidance uh both the roadway construction rep Rehabilitation financing and the special assessment yeah let me just take a moment and reiterate that so again what what happens in you know city government and public policy is the city council creates a policy to do this roadway rehab and how we do the special assessment so the policy's been set it's been existent for quite a period of time you all as the engineering staff just follow it you follow the policy that we make so this policy has been consistently applied for a number of years to every project that comes for road projects so just wanted to reiterate or reinforce that idea thought you're answer um and see for the financing so it says a lesser of calculated assessment or benefit appraisal amount um for those that don't know we have a benefit appraisal done by an appraiser and if the appraiser says that the benefit that the property gets is less than the amount that we calculate we have to go with whichever amount is less and that did happen on a couple of properties on this um they were the commercial properties along East viiew Road so they their um their assessment was reduced to the benefit or to the appraised amount and then this City funds remaining in balance and you can spread this out over 15-year term with a 3.2% interest rate which is pretty Dar pretty great rate yeah and that's thanks to the city's great bond rate um assessment hearing will be held prior to the project award which is what we're doing right now uh there's a 30-day no interest payment period um that starts today assuming that the project is a go-ahead and payments can be made over 15 years if you choose not to pay it off fully the first payment would be due uh first half of property taxes next year please sign up for the InTouch emails that's where you'll get emails regularly especially during construction um and any updates on schedule changes anything that's happening for the project um also my contact information is there as well as my Kaa and please please reach out if you have any other questions for us and the recommended actions from staff hold the assessment hearing which we're halfway through uh certify the assessment role via the resolution that's on here for 7 C and then the following six resolutions which I'm not going to read them all yep and that is for s d d correct yep are there any questions for me well the hearing is open um so it's this point in time I'd like to open this up to our public so I have um a couple green sheets I think they're for this section so um i' like to invite up um Alice Roberts Davis um and as we stated earlier state your name and address for the record you have up to 10 minutes if you want to speak that long you're welcome too thank you good evening mayor and members of the council my name is Alice Robert Davis I am a Woodbury resident for the last 22 years I live at 10422 Kil Bernie Road and I'm here today to speak about a specific aspect of the 2025 roadway Improvement project um I'm here to speak about the roundabout at Lake Ridge Drive uh I want to start with a little bit of my background and just tell you that for nearly a decade I worked in real estate for a Target corporation uh doing property acquisition planning and construction of Target stores all around the country I spent uh Untold hours in uh committee and Council hearings like this one in my day uh I was also a commissioner responsible for real estate and planning for State properties and today I'm a vice president at the University of Minnesota where I'm responsible for the planning and real estate among other things for our University's five campuses now I say all of that to say only one thing which is that although I'm not a planner I'm a lawyer I am speaking today from a place of relevant experience about planning uh as a relates to the roundabout on Lake Bridge Drive I really appreciate the city's desire to address traffic C if that's warranted there but I'm in complete opposition to the roundabout that is poorly placed and does not meet its intended uh purpose first the roundabout is roughly 300 ft away from a stop sign and so vehicular traffic does not have enough time to build speed before it gets to the roundabout or if you're traveling in the opposite direction you're going to stop at a stop sign within 300 feet and so um there are thousands of of feet of uh roadway between the roundabout and East View and Hudson Road which you referenced earlier where there's no traffic calming proposed and so I think that it there's far more opportunity for people just speed going westbound beyond the roundabout where there is no traffic calming uh next the sound the size of the roundabout is far too large in its current configuration it's difficult to navigate even in my small sedan I can't make that leftand turn onto my street without some difficulty the couple of times that it snowed this year the temporary roundabout was very difficult to navigate for both cars and snow plows as indicated by the fact that most of the ties were displaced and I understand that this is not a permanent roundabout but I think that it's indicative that to me once the permanent roundabout is in it will be difficult for them to plow with a NE a regular sized plow machine uh this is all to say uh not to mention that it is actually an isore it is a horrible looking um uh roundabout the signs are junky and I think it really detracts from the Aesthetics of our neighborhood that's been lovely for the last 22 plus years so what I'm wondering is what if anything was proposed as an alternative to this roundabout does it have to absolutely be in this location and if so if we need traffic calming there what a four-way stop sign work just as well I'm also wondering if we investigated posting speed limits there there's only one posted plard in that entire roadway and it's only when you turn East at uh Lake View Drive so all the way down by the Walmart is the only posted placard and it's posted at 30 m an hour could it be 25 mil an hour and posted in more than one location also wondering if there are other ways that we could do traffic calming uh I would even be open to speed humps as ugly as those are I think that it actually would be an improvement over what's being proposed there to day so my simple point this evening is that the location for the proposed roundabout doesn't make sense it's not meeting its intent and there are far better locations along uh Lake Ridge Drive in fact there's a y at uh Lake Ridge and East in uh sorry lake lake view thank you that is just an absolute Calamity waiting to happen and there's nothing proposed there uh it's a it's a y with not even a yield sign and so as we're thinking about this I would just ask that you reconsidered this roundabout um it it would be very very much appreciated if you would thank you thank you we will address your comments shortly I'd like to um Rob Watson did you want to speak to this as well so Rob Watson's 686 Marin away um so I just had a few questions uh based on this assessment that um we're being asked to paid um I was just kind of curious uh when when the roads were paved last was probably when it was installed would I guess original yeah so um has there been taxes paid on these roads since then uh can you clarify your question has there been taxes paid since they were put in can why don't we do this can we take all your questions and then I'll have we'll be able to answer so okay so taxes paid on road okay yes since they've been put in you said several years and then uh what do you mean but I'm sorry yeah what do I mean what do you mean by I mean how we pay prop tax used or because taxes aren't it's a roadway yes so is your question have tax dollars been used for this road is that your question yeah so all the years that we've been paying property tax sure where's the money been going yeah okay okay yep all right that's your question okay keep going then um basically um has there been anything set aside for it for all those years and where was where's that money at um and then uh how many bids did we get who will the contractor be uh how long will they stand behind their work um because I know um you know Winters are rough you I know Pooles come up but I want to see how long they're going to stand behind their work and then um since we're getting an improvement on our roadways will that make our property taxes go up okay and then um basically how many hours will he be working a day when will he be working what's the schedules uh how long will it take then how many employees and where they going to part that's a lot of questions is that everything yeah I mean that's you know I got them okay so we'll if I could just suggest I mean some of these are really detailed um executional questions I wonder if most of them can be addressed offline sure through convers St could give a general sure that's not a bad idea we can address the big picture things but gritty you know contractor I just suggest me that's an offline conversation is there anything the public wants to hear parking okay some of it anything else it's not a road they they just been dumping the the gravel on that road and having the cars drive over it to flatten it down for years it's I mean it might have it might have uh it's never might have been asphalted first year after year they just put the little Pebbles down have us it open okay we'll have engineer and address all this is that it yeah just you know for for us you know we access uh 686 through Marin away so it's through McGrath so it's at the end of tamarak you're going to cross Woodberry Drive Get on um you know right there McGrath's Lake Road and we're briefly you know we don't use that that part of the road so just wondering about the assessments and how they how they were figured the percentages I guess and then while CityWalk wasn't um I guess paying the same amount as we are I guess um equally uh adjusted there and how that was figured I guess it would be some of it you know I think we all we all have cars and we all drive through these but I think we can address some of your big picture questions but individual specific things we do have a project manager you're welcome to call Anytime and work through any specific of these of these but we'll see what we can do um that's all I have for green cheat is there anybody online Ashley no okay then I make a motion that we close the hearing I want to uh add to the record the council received an email from um Sandra Cullen to be entered in from 877 Lake Ridge El Cove can that be entered in as well as received okay got it all right I make a motion they close the hearing second motion a second any further discussion hearing none all in favor I I all right any opposed no okay the hearing is closed we'll now open this up uh to some answers from staff so staff can you first begin talking about this roundabout can you show us a picture of the roundabout and talk about there was a temporary one it sounds like a temporary one is the how did that work out what are you doing different Etc and the attorney on this one thank you Janelle what a team effort here um if anybody wants to uh object to the assessments do they have to do that before the hearing is closed yes then then I make a motion that we recall the hearing and reopen it back up to the public clarification uh if any member of the public objects to the assessment you have to put it in writing before the hearing was closed so you have to put it in writing and give it to our here uh council member uh uh with all due respect that it's not quite right that well that's what I just asked and you said no that's not what you asked um did I so so let let's let's be clear uh an objection by Resident has to be brought to the city prior to closing of the hearing it can be brought in many ways via writing or actually coming here and indicating some opposition uh and bases for it and and I heard this last uh uh resident raise some questions about the whole assessment process so sure but they have to actually state that they object to the assessments am I correct in order to Pres Reserve their rights corre correct okay and that has to be done before the hearing is closed that is correct and we just Clos the hearing without giving so I'm making a motion that we recall that and reopen the hearing to give uh the members of the public an opportunity to object to the Assessments in writing if they so choose or they could do so verbally here as well I think in the past we've always asked for it in writing and I would hold to that to make sure that and I would always say put in writing that that is best practice I would agree with that as well all right let's do this I make a motion that we reopen the hearing motion second all in favor I I okay the hearing's reopened does anybody would like to provide a written objection seeing none I make a motion that we close the hearing second motion a second any further discussion hearing none all in favor I I thank you for that in the in the future when we do these assessment hearings can we just put that as a process for us to before we close the hearing probably a good idea add that to your list of things to do thank you Kim we should also um probably just include it in the council letter sure that too that that that steps to submit an objection are as follows that's the legal it should be repeated each and every time yes and is that also communicated in all the communication that goes to the public when they get this assessment is that part of communication Tony saying or city engineer saying yes yeah that is correct okay yeah and I did look at the communication on that very point so I okay okay terrific all right thank you for clarifying all that now if we could please answer uh some the questions about the roundabout can you talk about that for a moment traffic circle yeah thank you um we would consider this a traffic circle not traffic circle it's not a roundabout okay thank you it's a traffic cming feature and um uh referring to it as traffic pming circle at Lake Ridge Drive in K Bernie Road this is the first intersection north of Eastview Road on uh Lake Ridge Drive um throughout the public engagement and the public hearing for this project um there was a lot of concern from residents for Speed and comfort um for vehicles driving too fast on this roadway um we re received Direction and it was included in the public Improvement hearing to have traffic calming on lak Ridge Drive um since this is the first intersection north of Eastview Road um we have proposed a traffic caling circle uh for that four-way intersection um we do agree that it is um the first intersection North only about 300 ft north of East Road um and during our time of evaluating the call it temporary um traffic circle that we have out there today and I'll get into a little bit of background on that um we had noticed that once you get to um a few hundred feet north of this circle that Vehicles start to speed up and get back to their normal comfortable speed that they're driving on the road so we do have traffic calming uh proposed for multiple locations it would be the location shown on the screen here so five separate locations um there are some bump outs at um other intersections uh We've commonly used those they were included on courtly Road and uh Queen's Drive in the Royal Oaks project that we did a road rehab um in the last two years out there um so bump outs are are certainly something that we are pretty familiar with and they have been effective in other locations throughout the community um we have a lot of input from other communities who have established these traffic calming circles in residential neighborhoods throughout other locations in the Twin Cities area and they're gaining a lot of traction throughout really across the country so um we had proposed a through our sa streets for all action plan um a demonstration project to install a temporary Circle at that location so that we could evaluate that understand how the plows would work going through it um emergency vehicles buses um General traffic we set up a camera to watch traffic flow around it um we were able to observe that cars do slow down and they go slower through this intersection now um and um we had some issues with plowing because the snow that builds up on the edges of the plows was catching on the the um it's really just plastic pieces out there today laid on top of the pavement because it's temporary it's temporary very easy to push around um we did get feedback from our public works department um they had indicated that they'd be much more comfortable and and confident that a concrete Circle that had concrete filling in the middle would be um uh workable for them and easy to um maneuver and operate um the problem that we had today was the temporary one is easy to push around you can go out with your foot and just push it out of the way so um so we've done some observations we did notice that once you get further north of this intersection Vehicles do return their speeds that's why additional traffic calming is um proposed out here we do want um we did a temporary um demonstration project we do want to continue to install a permanent one at this location um we want this tool in our toolbox and this will give us a location to better um evaluate it over time okay good so it is planned to go in is with this project or it's City staff has included this in the bid for the project okay certainly um Council can make check um changes at this point in time to remove change modify um those can have cost impacts to the project um making changes after the bid um staff had um taken the direction on including traffic caling along this section of roadway following the public Improvement hearing we did provide a memo back with our proposed plans to the city council just so that you were informed of um the general layout of that traffic calming along the roadway and we did go back to the neighborhood and and let them know that this was a demonstration project and that we did take some feedback through all the process okay can you now just address um the 30 m hour speed versus a 25 and I know a lot of what do I want to can I ask a question about the traffic circle before we move on from from the the other resident that had sent us the note in there can you talk a little bit about um this this resident Sandy Cullen at 877 Lake rid El Cove had asked a little bit about pedestrian movement around that traffic circle because it is so tight in that intersection and what engineering's uh response to that concern is sure I can take this one so um if you look at a normal roadway that we design now our current standards they're 28 ft wide with a sidewalk or a trail in the older neighborhoods like this one um they're 32 ft wide and no Trail so we're expecting people to walk you know on 16 ft on their one half of the road with a car um the smallest uh amount of space that they have between yeah sorry it's a little small it says 20 feet there I don't know if I can I can't really zoom in well but uh between the circle and the curb there that's 20 ft is the smallest amount of space so it's actually 4T more than they have on the rest of the street and that's just because it's a it's a four leg leg intersection so because those radiuses are are pretty big and those radiuses are bigger than what we would install today because it used to be install all these big radiuses because it's we want to make it easy to drive now we want to make it we want it we want it be safer now so they make them a little bit tighter now um so it's actually a little bit more room than you have currently on walking on the side of the road because you have 20 ft instead of the 16 however it doesn't feel like that yeah necessarily because when you walk if you follow my mouse you have to walk and then kind of walk onto the other Road and then walk around the other thing that makes it a little bit harder on with this temporary um traffic circle is because the way it's set up it's you know it's like the the concrete barricades at a parking lot you know you can't really drive over them a permanent one will have ceron B curb and concrete so it'll be just like driving up onto a driveway so if a car needs to get out of the way of a pedestrian because they can you I mean it's going to be uncomfortable if you're doing it at 30 miles an hour which is why it's there right but you can do it for sure and if you slow down to go around the war in Andrea surround curve so if you're if you're you know if you're going around at 15 miles hour which you should be and you need to suddenly a pedestrian's in the way you can easily get out of the way as as a you know I live on a road that has I don't know more than one roundabout um in order to get there and and these tend to become Formula 1 Corners meaning that you you you you tight the corner you're you're tight in on your you're up against the curb or what have you and that 20 feet that you're you're saying is in there is not really 20 feet because as that car makes that round they're not hugging they're not formula wanting that corner is what I'm saying as they exit as exactly so that 20 ft becomes sign iFly Tighter and that's I I do remember our conversation about uh traffic calming but I also remember our conversation about pedestrian movements here we had a very long conversation about sidewalks and trails in this area and what our expectation was because this is not a full reconstruction and where we doing that and so part of this is that we didn't include that pedestrian movement and that I wouldn't want to put something in here and I understand that we want this as a tool in our toolbx but is this the right intersection for it based on the fact that there is no pedestrian refuge in this area as on this for to your point I'm also concerned that it's only 300 feet north of east east U yep thank you it's only 300 feet so we do want to slow folks down because that is safer so I'm caught in a little bit of a conundrum of pedestrian safety as they're gallivanting around this traffic circle if it if it wasn't the traffic circle there we would have recommended the bump outs there instead even though it is just 300t because of the fact that it's far enough that people would already be up to speed at that point this is the only intersection that was wide enough because of the fact that it's four legs the the three- leg intersection that she had mentioned before um we are doing um the bump outs there on the Lake View Drive side and that one we had looked at that for the traffic circle as well because that got a lot of um concerns from residents because it is kind of a weird intersection um and talking with um our consultant they felt that um putting a traffic circle there would actually make that intersection significantly more dangerous because it would give at least two directions of traffic basically a green light to just go that's a bit of the same concern I I think what I'm what I'm hearing from engineering is we really want to do this a it be our first but is this the right spot is this the I mean there is there's always going to be opposition in whatever we do and I get that and every single traffic in every single roadway project that in my six years there's always going to be we're never going to make 100% of the people happy I just don't I just don't want to be forcing this traffic circle because it is something that we do want to try and I certainly get that is so we can get hard data ourselves around this I just don't know if this is the right spot but let's keep going can I address one question um you know our priority here is to slow Vehicles down it's going to be more comfortable for those that are walking the roadway we don't have the sidewalk option on this road um slowing the vehicles down is our priority and that will make it more comfortable um the alternative here could be bump outs um that also pinches the road down and has um people walking in the roadway with sharing the road with vehicles that is expectation in really the whole neighborhood along lak Ridge Drive is that vehicles that pull on this road are going to be sharing the road with pedestrians and bicyclists people pushing strollers someone in a wheelchair um that is the expectation on this entire roadway um we don't see that as unique at this intersection okay good and good point I have a comment or a question for Drew you said that there's going to be some sort of a bump out on Lake View and Lake Ridge I live on that Calamity y corner so I'm well aware when they're headed north they're flying we yeah the bump outs there also tighten the radius and force vehicles to have to take the turn lore good yeah thank you there was some requests from residents to make the radius wider to make it easier which inre I understand the request because it's an awkward intersection however that'll make it easier for people to go faster when that's the opposite goal that we're going for here yes so I have concerns I'm bring it your mic on no it's not thank you thank you thank you okay mic's on um so this uh this neighborhood um if we are narrowing and putting bump outs it is pinching pedestrians so I don't like that um I agree that we could do some traffic calming I'm a huge proponent of reducing all of our City Residential streets in speed from 30 to 25 but um we had an elevated table put in at uh am I correct by Royal Oaks there on queens that is correct at Queens Drive for a uh School crosswalk across Queens I think it was past the school I think it's past the school crosswalk and down the Define school crossing for the walking roads to school so something like that could be used along this roadway where it gives uh the you still have the shoulder pedestrians still have the shoulder but it uh calms the traffic as they're driving down the road um the bump outs on the corners I agree that it can offer some um reduction in speed but it all but if you um drive through uh Royal Oaks you'll also see a lot of tire tracks up and over those curbs um people have I don't know if they don't care or if they don't know but regardless there's a lot of driving up and over uh the curbs uh which are going on the trails or the sidewalks in that neighborhood and also people's yards so I would be I would like to find an alternative to the traffic cing other than the bump outs and the roundabout in this neighborhood I would just also add council member Wilson mentioned it and I think one of the residents also mentioned we're a statutory City so changing the the uh speed Li the speed limit is just not an option for us I i' asked before can you just address the speed limit 30 to 25 and why that's not an option I think it was recently in the statutes that we could yeah this this is certainly a topic that City staff has been following over um the last few years because there have been changes to law but um also the statutory speed limits do remain at 30 m hour on residential roadways throughout the entire State unless a city were to enact a study enact some type of speed limit change um we've had a few cities that have done that there's probably a dozen to 20 or so now that have done that um we've had great uh opportunity to collect data on those cities um St Louis Park was a great one the University of Minnesota was out um doing a what's called a local Road research board study it was the community asked how effective is this um the speed limits were changed to 20 mes per hour on local roads a few of the Colmore collector roads were changed to 25 in St Louis Park the general um finding from that study is that there was negligible change in the in the traffic um speeds and really what we're looking to do is effectively slow down speeds not provide a speed limit sign that is now violated and creating unlawful drivers and an expectation that pedestrians walking down these roadways would um expect people to be driving 20 yet they're still driving 30 32 um so we want to do something that's effective not ineffective and the state of Minnesota just today I was on a um a webinar call with them uh they have uh reviewed all of the cities that have made these changes and they came up with the same conclusion so um they they found this to be ineffective um they were going to report that to legislature I believe on Monday um because legislature has asked for how effective was this and can we get a study on it so um if we were to change speed limits we'd expect no change without a lot of addition measures we' need enforcement we need engineering changes to the roadway that promote slower speeds that's probably the most effective way to do it it is costly but it's the most effective way and then all of the various features that we talked about in our saf streets for all plan um creating that um safe system approach is really what we' need to do to to be effective in slowing down speeds but just to be clear then the city does have if I mean if they wanted to we could change the speed liit on our residential streets we could if if that was a direction that that we chose yep and then can you just address speed bumps why yeah yeah speed bumps can be difficult um one we the roadways provide drainage and water flows down them as we put in um we wouldn't put in speed bumps I guess I'll call that those would be the smaller bumps you're used to seeing in parking lots um we'd put in what we call more of a speed table speed hump or a speed table um in the case on Queen's Drive um we did put in what we called a raise crosswalk it was a um crosswalk that at top of it was the flatten table part for people to cross the road um that location was good and we prioritized it there because it does have pedestrian facilities on both sides it creates a crosswalk and it is a school crossing so we wanted ensure that that was very visible and that we promoted slow speeds where the kids would be Crossing um to get to school um in locations like this you would really we don't have pedestrian facilities in area so there's no race crosswalk that we could put in you'd be putting in a speed table in the middle of these roadways um in in general we'd have to make sure that they're in locations that work for drainage and then we often times um we have done some called speed bump uh trials in um locations I think it was on metal drive just off a tower drive on the kind of where Tower Drive makes a sharp curve towards radio um the residents over time ask for those to re be removed because you you really do need to go uh 10 miles per hour or less and that's what we have signs on the Queen's Drive raised crosswalk 10 m per hour um you really need to go 10 miles per hour less and residents over time um on the metal Brook Drive had asked for those to be removed um so uh there can they can be effective you do need many of them and uh as as we're promoting here um five different locations of bumpin bump outs traffic coming features um you would probably need at least that many along here so we would probably see that to be more of an annoyance than um these bump outs so we do have studies though that show I I think engineering has conducted them I think I have them um that painted lines and painted shoulders on the Road also slows down traffic uh about the same as I believe it slowed it down about the same as if you decrease the width of the road there there can be some Effectiveness to putting striping on roads we don't generally want to add striping to um neighborhood collectors like this what it does is it can give impression that it we generally put striping on faster um more heavily traveled roadways we call them our collectors in our TI roadways um when you do narrow road Lanes on those uh faster heavy traveled roads you can be effective to slow down traffic when we do that on these residential roadways um we did a trial study on Commonwealth Drive near Red Rock Elementary it created a couple issues for us um one it very clearly defined where Vehicles should drive on residential roads and it very clearly defined where you can walk on the road so walking next to somebody if you're um with a kid or your spouse and you're walking along um you can't walk side by side we don't have enough room in these uh areas to ride more than about four 4 ft of area um so you're walking on the gutter and the transition of the pavement um and then you now have vehicles going right next to your shoulder they now you were striping the road saying the vehicles need to drive right next to you instead of go around you and provide the room that you provide um when we do stripe those shoulders um it's also the walking area so now it's the sidewalk and we' need to Pro provide no parking in the entire neighborhood otherwise we have people parking on the sidewalk okay um and then uh there was another reason for that I don't recall it off hand but we ended up removing the um the striping on Commonwealth Drive and installing a trail because the feedback that we got from students and the the um residents living in that area was that that wasn't a good solution it wasn't effective and it actually decreased our comfort level on the road so for residential roads we would we would not consider the striping as a a viable solution all right I just want to say after all of that engineering stuff that you guys do there's a lot that's gone into it and and we we are uh amateurs at this we have opinions but I do appreciate the engineering work the the thought behind it the studies the the research everything you all are doing to come up with the best plan so I I appreciate that can we just uh quickly just address at a high level uh Mr Watson's uh just big picture questions about Assessments in general uh do we set money aside you know what's the work schedule just just big picture you know how many bids who the who the winner because we've got that coming up here the winner is uh being identified in section 7D but just high level process of how all that works I can address that in Fairly brief fashion um every year some amount of property taxes goes to our roadway Rehabilitation fund that is what's used for the City cost share of these road projects and every year there's um a portion of the properties that are benefiting from these projects and they are charge an assessment um from this project here about 22% of the project cost is paid for buy assessments and your property taxes that everyone in the community has paid um cover the rest of that uh 78% um we like to think of Roads is having two functions one is mobility everyone can use the public roadways to get where they want to go um that is the portion that you pay in your property taxes it covers that 78% of the of the project roadways also provide access to your property so when you have access the year that you're getting your road redone you're benefiting from that you're paying that smaller portion um of benefit through an assessment for that access portion of the roadway so we like to think of the roads as having those two functions our assessment policy um rep uh it acknowledges that and has public um tax dollars paying for the roads and some assessments MH and then just briefly talk about the the work schedule how the I mean there was a bid done we've got the win of the bid it is the low bid uh what's the work schedule generally can you cover who won the bid uh so MC Construction was the apparent responsible low bidder we say it that way specifically because somebody can be the low bidder and not be responsible bidder and and not be chosen um so we don't just automatically go with the low bid um they the general work hours that we allow are 7:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m. in the city's ordinance it's 6:00 a.m. to 10: p.m. in our spec book we write 7:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m. to try and narrow that down um they can ask for permission to go longer we will usually grant that if there's a reason or if benefit yeah there's a public benefit you know they need to finish stuff up or whatever um and then the parking they will park wherever it's legal to currently Park which is where people Park currently on the roads um so often it's within the project area and yeah yeah can you just address that mailboxes real quick because that's always a concern too I don't know if this is a neighborhood where you have individual mailboxes or not but what happens with that because people are always worried how do I get my mail so there's um I don't know if they're all Community mailboxes I know most of them are um in the single family home areas I think they're individual mailbox but in the areas where we're doing um like the prop the bump outs and we have to actually move a significant amount we are we're uh the city is moving those for them um there's only a few of them that have to get moved so the city's taking care of that because we're the ones that are moving the curb there um and everybody will have access to them at all times um if we're already going to move it we'll move it someplace nearby so that they'll have access while the concrete's curing we don't want people driving over the concrete while it's wet and then uh that'll be communicated to everybody as well and in terms of the project timeline I me again this is why you have a website to go to you you can be called at any time answer questions but everything is identified as to what section is being done at a time and those kind of things so follow that information that you shared correct we don't have that information yet because contractors don't want to commit to anything until after tonight right got it yeah exactly so that will all be there so Mr Watson any specific further question beyond that feel free to reach out for individual things but I hope we've covered the general questions mayor Bert m c um we do have a what if the project is awarded tonight we do meet with the contractor we go through their schedule we get details we do hold another meeting with the the neighborhood ahead of that to share all the detailed information about construction so that is coming okay thank you I have a couple more questions if I can I have one as well yeah go ahead Jen um so just quickly um I don't want to be a horse about this but with with regards um to the proposed roundabout can you just touch upon um it's not a roundabout it's well we also call them rotaries so that's a whole other I don't know I didn't know that they were really defined um terminology between them I just sort of put them all together um can you just touch upon why we might not um do crosswalks at some of the crossings there because I guess that's always been my thing as like if you would at least not that everybody vites by them but it's my understanding if you are a pedestrian in the crosswalk you have the right away in the crosswalk in the crosswalk state law in Minnesota says any pedestrian in the roadway at an intersection has the right of voice so um you do not need to be no crosswalk the crosswalk would need to be at say um a more arterial roadway like a radio drive you are required to cross at crosswalks um because it's an access controlled um roadway with with traffic signals um so you'd have the same laws applying here um whether there's crosswalk stripe or not we do not like to so again Lakeridge Drive is a roadway where anyone who turns on it needs to expect to encounter bikes um wheelchairs pedestrians strollers um in the roadway they're going to Share the Lane they're going to um need to respect pedestrians within the roadway um this intersection we'd see is really really no different than all the other intersections in the area um we wouldn't stripe those cross boxs cuz the pedestrians have the right to be in the whole roadway okay and even even take over the the roadway on a bike in the full Lane um when we have sidewalks or trails that do cross roadways then often times we consider striping when we do not have sidewalker Trails coming to the intersections we would not stripe them as the pedestrians bicyclist would have rights to the full roadway okay they're sharing Road got it thank you Kim you got yeah um East uh East View can we talk about that for a minute I feel like we recently passed something that said we were going to make it no parking and then were we also reducing speed on East View or was it just the no parking the no parking um was to uh clean up the no parking ordinance that was on there um and the reason was because that's a state aid Road and because it doesn't meet the requirements for parking we have to make it no parking M and the previous no parking was really unclear because of the way Lake Ridge hits the road it wasn't clear on which Lake Ridge and East View it wasn't spelled out so to clear that all up we basically just scrapped all the no parking and made it clear from the beginning to the end that it was no parking hey Drew could you also just explain our Authority on speed setting speed limits that's come up up didn't we did I thought that was I was asking if we lowered it on that road already during that we don't we did not yeah we have not made any changes to speak all right Tony was talking before about the statute that's why probably you didn't hear it I was getting nerdy and might haveo you and then and then um you know it makes it hard uh I have a hard time because the we don't get updated feasibility reports anymore um they're not made public and I know I've asked for them in the past and um have not gotten them it makes it difficult uh when we have new numbers coming in um to understand how the assessments are working but just to be clear on this project there is a minimum assessment that each homeowner is um charged and in this particular case they did not meet the minimum so their assessments were raised to the minimum am I correct yes the city staff follows the um assessment policy that was shared um in one of the slides earlier here and with that um the the original prary reports that are prepared for the project are still available on the public website they they show you the full process of the calculations and and the call it how the policy is applied to the numbers um what we had found was that when you get to the assessment hearing if we provide additional preliminary reports with a lot of different tables and numbers in it that are updated there's more confusion than there is questions answered by us providing those what we do is we send out a mailer that makes it clear what their assessment amount is and we also invite residents in or um invite them to call us to to walk through that process it is more complex than just putting out a you know 30 page report for somebody to look through and understand what goes on those so we've been we feel it's more successful for us to bring them in talk to them walk them through that calculation rather than put those reports out on the I will say for the record I love the reports and I think the last report that was done and posted out online was 2021 it's very it's very helpful instead of putting this out there you put this report out there with the numbers and so I don't know why you wouldn't do the updated numbers like you have in the past so you can people can see exactly how the bid came in lower and so therefore this is where the changes have occurred so I know I've asked for it in the past so I'll be asking for it again after this one so Kim I may be able to answer a little bit of your concern um having I mean I I'm a resident there and early on when there was the I received the first love letter from the city about the work being done I applauded it because the streets are bad and they guesstimated that it was going to be about $1,550 for each of our um multifam properties and they've done a a lot of work and significant work to get that lowered so I'm saving $250 with the work that the city has done there and I get a new street but they communicated that to the residents we all knew that I guess what I'm saying is is the single family properties have not dropped that's still the original that's still the what was in the original one so yours may have dropped but single families haven't in that neighborhood so um and then and then just to be clear also there's a lot lot of cost sharing going on in here and things that you know we have said in the past you know the residents are paying 22% of the cost of this project but there's a that's the total cost of this project so we have cost sharing I guess we're doing work on school property we have the Watershed District work we're putting in stop lights that that numberers in this report also even though that's been paid by a different entity into a different fund and although it's coming out of the fund and it's reflecting here it still is uh we we make it seem like this is the entire project and and it although it is it's it's not a true representation of yeah Drew Drew had shared earlier that um the project cost based on call your public Improvement hearing for the the improvements that are being included in your assessment calculations your your actual product that's being assessed is about 7.1 million yeah 7 million and the overall project at the public Improvement hearing was 8.1 million so we have seen um the project costs drop but because there are Cooperative um we'll call it adds to the construction portion of the project um the the current project cost shown on the screen is uh 8.4 million um but we have brought new funding sources to cover those costs so there's no um impact to um call it that project that had uh been presented at public Improvement hearing essentially it's a past because correct the cost of that Improvement is paid for another entity or another element that's correct pass through this project is an awesome example of collaboration um building Partnerships with other agencies and cooperation to deliver projects in an efficient manner um to the taxpayers um there has been um a lot of additional work that could be incorporated here to get water quality credits for the city and the the Watershed District um part of that is 3M settlement funding we're getting credits within this project area to put towards our pipeline projects um that's a requirement of um uh the pipeline products is to do water quality improvements um so this is a great opportunity to combine um some efforts there the um uh the traffic signal um that's needed uh rather than having a development uh funded project be another project that we need to coordinate and manage from engineering we can bring that those funds into this project manage it through this project it helps um consolidate that for us and then also um we had the uh uh Settler's Ridge crosswalk at Liberty Ridge Elementary um the school district had approached us talked about some um improvements that they desired these are priority safety improvements through our Safe Streets for all um discussions that we had at our workshops um we did look at prioritizing those improvements we we um talked about that at our October Workshop related to Safe SE forall and those improvements uh can be done effectively here with our road rehab because we have a contractor doing a lot of concrete work on our project so they can um jump over use this as as work um within the project um but staff did identify that there was work beyond the public RightWay on private school property that would need to be done to make the sidewalk connection to the existing sidewalks on the school property um we have had those discussions with the school district they're willing to pay for that work so that they don't have to coordinate another project with our project um so there several different taxing entities for which the taxpayers are all responsible to pay overall costs are down as you coordinate and it's taken a lot of coordination and collaboration but overall it is meant um more work getting done at a lower cost overall correct and one project for City staff to manage also is a huge Advantage for us rate yeah wow that's yeah that's a big one for example the the Watershed District project that came in around just under $200,000 uh that's about $100,000 less than they were expecting so they were really happy about that yeah so again the taxpayers pay that's all taxpayer money most of it is so okay good thank you all right any other questions we've had a long discussion on this would somebody like to put forth a motion uh the public hearing is closed is there am I did I miss something did somebody notice I missed something in comments or questions okay hearing's closed yeah excuse me ask a clarifying question clarifying uh what is it my question is I heard the engineer uh say that the the um bump outs might be an option where the roundabout or the traffic circle is is that something that we can explore I kind of heard him say no but can you answer that it was an option it was evaluated staff would recommend the circle in that location thank you all right um do anybody want to put forth a motion on this one I'll move to adopt resolution 25- 51 a resolution approving the special assessments for the 2025 roadway Rehabilitation project second motion a second any further discussion hearing none roll call please council member Morris I council member Santini I council member Stafford I council member Wilson no mayor Bert I that resolution passes all right now we can take um just by Council this not open hearing just all these other six resolutions we have to do them one at a time so I'll move to adopt resolution 25 you're not going to present anything else on this okay just check yeah uh I'll move to adopt resolution 25- 52 a resolution awarding the con Construction contract to mcnamer Contracting Incorporated in the base bid an alternative amount of 6,931 19368 for the 2025 roadway Rehabilitation project and authorizing the mayor and City administrator to sign said contract second motion a second any further discussion hearing none roll call please council member Santini I council member Stafford I council member Wilson I hear you I'm just trying to figure this out as I'm looking at all these resolutions try figure out which one yes council member Morris hi mayor Bert hi that resolution passes I'll move to adopt resolution 25- 53 a resolution amending budgets for the street reconstruction maintenance fund Water and Sewer Utility Fund Park and trails replacement fund Capital Improvement fund and authorized use of funds from the Central District trunk storm sewers Fund in Phase 2 major roadway special assessment fund for the 2025 roadway Rehabilitation project second motion a second any further discussion hearing none roll call please council member Stafford I council member Wilson yes council member Morris I council member Santini I mayor Bert I that resolution passes I'll adopt resolution 25-54 resolution authorizing the mayor and City administrator to execute execute and Engineering Consulting Services contract uh with Bolton and M uh Incorporated in the amount of $577,500 I mayor b i that resolution passes I'll adopt resolution 25-55 a resolution authorizing the removal of the stop sign for westbound traffic on Heather Drive at Bonny View Drive as part of the 2025 roadway Rehabilitation project that has to be that has count that has to have Council yeah City uh practices to have the city council approve install and remove W stop signs second motion second he just one in a couple different spots didn't know I had the power hearing none roll call please council member Morris hi council member Santini I council member Stafford I council member Wilson mayor Bert I that resolution passes was a thing I'll move to adopt resolution 25- 56 a resolution authorizing the mayor and City administrator to execute an inter agency agreement with the South Washington County School District regarding their participation in the 2025 roadway Rehabilitation project with work being completed at the Liberty Ridge Elementary School excitingly second motion of second any further discussion hearing none roll call please council member Santini I council member Stafford I council member Wilson no council member Morris I mayor Bert I that resolution passes lastly I'll move to adopt resolution 25-57 a resolution authorizing the mayor and City administrator to execute an inter agency agreement with the South Washington Watershed District regarding their participation in the 2025 way Rehabilitation project for the construction of a storm water quality improvement best management practice system also uh excitingly second yeah motion second any further discussion he none all in favor no I'm sorry roll call please sorry council member Stafford I council member Wilson I council member Morris I council member Santini I mayor Bert I that resolution passes all right engineering team you're off to the races with this thank you for the work done slow racist yeah around circles they like to get going traffic circle yeah okay uh last open last public hearing tonight is legendary spice we want to know what legendary spice is Ashley hearing's now open I will tell you more all right thank you mayor Burton members of the council legendary spice Woodburry LLC doing business as legendary spice has submitted an application for an on sale wine and beer liquor license including Sunday sales for the restaurant located at 8300 Tam Village go next slide thank you uh as you can see on your screen the names of the two uh business owners with at least 5% interest are listed there um for our process we did conduct a criminal history check on both of them um and didn't find anything that would prevent the city from issuing the license um additionally all necessary fees have been submitted the City attorney um as is our process has reviewed the application materials and deemed them accept uh and finally public hearing notices were mailed to surrounding properties next slide so at this time the staff recommendation is that you approve uh the on sale wine and beer liquor license um for the business located at 8300 Tamar Village but what is it is it a restaurant I knew you would ask yes that's what we want inquiring minds want to know so my detective work is that they have a other restaurant currently in dinky Town um it looks like a sesan um Asian Hot Pot type restaurant looks really good okay can you I didn't look up exactly where in tamarak village where I think it's I looked it's by um it's close to where Payway in that area used to yes that section Payway was there's the oh like in the middle yeah it's that little it's where the wood wood wood Timberwood whatever there was a Oh gift shop that was all up north related stuff on there yeah and there was the edible is the edible thing still there Edible Arrangements there we're also a CBD community so I'd be careful about EDS anyway but okay so when when would this go into effect uh we um do a full year liquor license which would start on April 1st okay so presumably then the restaurant's going to be open by then okay cool we have to go check it out okay um is anybody here to speak to that I don't have any green sheets the applicant is not here I make a motion we clo well it's kind of Presumed open I make a motion we close the hearing second motion second any further discussion hearing none all in favor of closing the hearing I I okay the hearing's closed council members comments questions or put forth a motion please I will gladly pick up my um mantle of approving liquor licenses I motion to move to approve the on sale wine and beer liquor license including Sunday sales to Legendary spice Woodbury LLC DBA legendary Spice located at 8300 Tamar Village second motion a second any further discussion hearing none uh roll call please council member Wilson I council member Morris hi council member Santini I council member Stafford hi mayor Bert I that is approved good luck to uh you out there who's ever starting the business look forward to checking it out um okay staff reports Clint your city administrator report please okay before the uh clock hits 10:00 y just a couple it wanted to highlight just a build on community development's 2024 report you will see in my administrator's report uh $28.5 Million worth of investment in the Northeast Business Park through the reserve in Sor Ridge Park Ridge Apartments little more than 26 million and the Gard School 2.3 million so good to see some those Investments and the seeds that we've laid through many many years come to fruition um in the report we have a number of different projects that we highlight I just want to especially mention some of our communication work uh we've done a lot of communication work around Metro micro you'll see that in the report lots of communication regarding the uh water treatment plant um and then much much more is forthcoming relative to the pipe construction which are uh which Tony kuty Cross Way is spearheading um we talked a little bit about Recreation activities and the slides well uh pickle ball is hot in woodrey so you saw that our enrollment was uh over 800 total enrollments in our pickup ball activities our Golf Course continues to do very well as does the Sports Center you see the success of the girls hockey team so congratulations to them um and then you will note in the report a number of different uh public opportunities we have with Public Safety some the recognitions we received our partic our continued participation the Polar Plunge except myself I refuse to do that um our safety seat checks our Scout nights and so forth uh we do have some notes in there relative to the watering restrictions so believe it or not that time is coming up here shortly and so we gave an update to that some of our um legislative testimony work uh the tree programs you know two different tree programs we have relative to providing financing for EML ashor removal and also tree planting so those are all included in my report and I'd just like to finish up with some of the upcoming meetings so we have a uh based on this meeting tonight we have a 2026 roadway rehab openhouse at 5:00 pm March 26 in the ash conference room city hall and then for the council Workshop of April 2nd so it's it's a little bit different because we only have one meeting in March so just please note we have a meeting in the first Wednesday of the month uh we'll be discussing the public safety campus project update so you'll be seeing some more detail from what you had last received and a second round of discussions for the nuisance abatement uh issues that we had from a previous Workshop um our Planning Commission meeting for March 17th has been cancelled and we do have a couple of public hearings schedule for April 2nd we have the public hearing for cdbg uh consolidated plan an annual action plan and the Math and Science Academy bond series 2120 refinancing and bond issue as far as other meetings um we have a meeting on County Highway uh 16 Corridor study in Alan Parkway to milit Road open house at 400 PM March 18th Ash conference room City Hall the water treatment plant pipe construction openhouse is 5:00 p.m. March 19th in the ash conference room our a investment commission is having its next me at 7:30 a.m. on March 21st also in the ash conference room Economic Development commission 7:30 a.m. as well March 25th same place Ash conference room and then parks and Natural Resource Commission at 700 p.m. on April 1st at the mhel Fairview Sports Center this my report you forgot the state of the city address on April 3rd CL I'm really disappointed in you mayor maybe you can share we have a meeting on I know but people have to get it on their calendar way before the night before so on April 3D standing that is I know is that how you normally do it you do the upcoming up until but I'm just want to declare if anyone's still listening nobody is but please uh come come to the state of City address it will be at Eagle Valley golf course and just a reminder for us our liaison because we're back to quarterly oh thank you I totally forgot about I gotta figure out what I am you're off the book and then um administrator gridle did you mention coffee with a cop on Monday I did now okay everybody there's coffee with a cop on Monday check the city website to find out where I think it's I think it is but I didn't want to say it though in case it wasn't yeah and then and then I would add that it is the season for our legislature to be in full swing and that I would highly encourage folks to be involved and conversate with your local elected officials at bills of import at the at the state in order to be involved because there are some very very important ones that affect the city's ability to do the city's work so be involved educate yourself and be heard because that moves very quickly down before the vote usually preferably before it's it's always easier to deal with things before a vote Yes okay um I think that's everything I'll make a motion that we adjourn the meeting 954 second second second all in favor I we're adjourned e